No Time to Die (007 Bond)

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They are making the same mistake they made during Dalton, having Bond bend to the culture of the day instead of sticking to the classic archetype and just updating the scenery and technology and the stunts. I thought they learned their lesson and Layer Cake Bond Casino Royal 2.0 sure seemed like they had but I guess they have to learn the lesson AGAIN ... when you have a product people want and it prints money, maybe don't fuck with it.

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i mean, you say that, but Casino Royal itself was kindof bending to the culture of the day. Action, jump cuts, "gritty realism". Lots of complaints of it trying to be Bourne.

While Mission Impossible really took the mantle of classic Bond.
 
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oof even Angry Joe hated this movie and i can't even remember the last movie or video game he disliked (he tends to shill easy). Will definitely be interesting to see how this does box office wise, projections right now are for a $60m opening weekend which seems crazy weak considering F&F did 70m, Black Widow did 80m, and Venom did 90m.

By comparison Spectre did $70m, Skyfall $88, and Casino Royale did $40m. The three of them did really well globally though, I can't see No Time To Die doing even half as well as even Spectre.

The movie won't be on VOD until late Dec, with blurays on Jan 14th 2022.
 
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oof even Angry Joe hated this movie and i can't even remember the last movie or video game he disliked (he tends to shill easy). Will definitely be interesting to see how this does box office wise, projections right now are for a $60m opening weekend which seems crazy weak considering F&F did 70m, Black Widow did 80m, and Venom did 90m.

By comparison Spectre did $70m, Skyfall $88, and Casino Royale did $40m. The three of them did really well globally though, I can't see No Time To Die doing even half as well as even Spectre.

The movie won't be on VOD until late Dec, with blurays on Jan 14th 2022.
they changed their pitch from "Bond for the Metoo era" to "this is Craig's last movie as Bond". you always get more money that way, those who are invested in the franchise will show up and say, "eh its Craig's last movie. might as well". all the YT channels i watch are saying the James Bond franchise is over, but they are also saying its not a bad movie. its gonna make some money.
 
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It wasn't a bad movie. It was very good. Told a nice story. I got a little misty thinking about the woman and her daughter towards the end.

Black chick really didn't do a god damn thing. She was present and that's all. And then she says she wants James re-instated as 007, so he became 007 once more (not that it mattered... it's never brought up again), and instantly goes off to battle once more.
 

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This shit is bombing hard.

An unapologetically masculine, white movie bombing after they gay it up with #MeToo shit? WHO WOULDA THOUGHT!?

Such a damn shame what they've done to this franchise.
 
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This shit is bombing hard.

I wonder how much it's runtime is hurting it. Attendance wasnt bad when I went and saw it, compared to Venom, but the amount of times it is showing a day is less than half, due to the fact that its nearly 4 hours per showing with previews/cleanup/turn over time for a theater, compared to just over 2 hours for Venom. It showed roughly half the times that Venom did.

It does have a China release upcoming, as well.
 
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the big place near me, starts showings at 11:50am, bond gets 3 shows per screen, venom/adam family get 4-5. bond and venom are on 3 screens, 9 showings for bond and 14 for venom. adams family is 93 mins, on 2 screens and gets 9 showings.

the other multiplex, has 8 bonds and 13 venoms.
 
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I wonder how much it's runtime is hurting it. Attendance wasnt bad when I went and saw it, compared to Venom, but the amount of times it is showing a day is less than half, due to the fact that its nearly 4 hours per showing with previews/cleanup/turn over time for a theater, compared to just over 2 hours for Venom. It showed roughly half the times that Venom did.

It does have a China release upcoming, as well.

CCP/Chinese distribution partners take a good % of box office on foreign releases. Chinese money will help, but this bombed. You need a strong domestic showing.

What the Chinese box office does is pad numbers. So the reported ticket sales total looks good for a world wide box office number. It's all for show.

In terms of profits of those Chinese ticket sales actually going to the studio.....that used to be a measly 13% of box office.

They get a quarter of the ticket sales now, pretty good but again, any major Chinese box office is just to look good on paper and doesn't mean as much for recouping.

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As is so often the case, the Pitch Meeting is likely more entertaining than the movie they're lampooning.

 
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This shit is bombing hard.

An unapologetically masculine, white movie bombing after they gay it up with #MeToo shit? WHO WOULDA THOUGHT!?

Such a damn shame what they've done to this franchise.

whats really funny is that no one is talking about the fact they brought in Phoebe Wallace to "dress up" the movie back in 2018, she was the hottest thing around after Killing Eve and Fleabag and other bullshit chick crap. Of course she rewrites Bond to be a cuck faggot pussy and no one wants to go see it. You don't see a single article blaming her, instead everyone is blaming people for being too old for theaters (??) even though Venom 2 did almost double, that Bond is too old, and whatever other crazy ass excuses they can come up with other than "MAYBE THE SCRIPT SUCKED ASS".

The director is also asian (Fukunawa, who was awesome for True Detective and the Idris Elba africa warlord movie) so no one blames him, because white people apparently can only blame bad results on white men.

i mean jesus christ how is Hollywood full of retards like this
 
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whats really funny is that no one is talking about the fact they brought in Phoebe Wallace to "dress up" the movie back in 2018, she was the hottest thing around after Killing Eve and Fleabag and other bullshit chick crap. Of course she rewrites Bond to be a cuck faggot pussy and no one wants to go see it. You don't see a single article blaming her, instead everyone is blaming people for being too old for theaters (??) even though Venom 2 did almost double, that Bond is too old, and whatever other crazy ass excuses they can come up with other than "MAYBE THE SCRIPT SUCKED ASS".

The director is also asian (Fukunawa, who was awesome for True Detective and the Idris Elba africa warlord movie) so no one blames him, because white people apparently can only blame bad results on white men.

i mean jesus christ how is Hollywood full of retards like this

From the article linked:

Since its UK release on September 30, No Time To Die has landed the biggest opening day at the UK box office in the pandemic era

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whats really funny is that no one is talking about the fact they brought in Phoebe Wallace to "dress up" the movie back in 2018, she was the hottest thing around after Killing Eve and Fleabag and other bullshit chick crap. Of course she rewrites Bond to be a cuck faggot pussy and no one wants to go see it. You don't see a single article blaming her, instead everyone is blaming people for being too old for theaters (??) even though Venom 2 did almost double, that Bond is too old, and whatever other crazy ass excuses they can come up with other than "MAYBE THE SCRIPT SUCKED ASS".

The director is also asian (Fukunawa, who was awesome for True Detective and the Idris Elba africa warlord movie) so no one blames him, because white people apparently can only blame bad results on white men.

i mean jesus christ how is Hollywood full of retards like this
Yes. I mean, watch the Graham Norton interview clip a page or so back. He mentions her and they can’t say anything nice about her so they fumble over their words and pretty much say nothing.
 

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whats really funny is that no one is talking about the fact they brought in Phoebe Wallace to "dress up" the movie back in 2018, she was the hottest thing around after Killing Eve and Fleabag and other bullshit chick crap. Of course she rewrites Bond to be a cuck faggot pussy and no one wants to go see it. You don't see a single article blaming her, instead everyone is blaming people for being too old for theaters (??) even though Venom 2 did almost double, that Bond is too old, and whatever other crazy ass excuses they can come up with other than "MAYBE THE SCRIPT SUCKED ASS".

The director is also asian (Fukunawa, who was awesome for True Detective and the Idris Elba africa warlord movie) so no one blames him, because white people apparently can only blame bad results on white men.

i mean jesus christ how is Hollywood full of retards like this
What sucks is I thought Fleabag and another show she did called "Crashing" was fucking hilarious. The moment they brought her in though, I rolled my eyes. Her writing a tv series as a self-deprecating, crash, "shitty" feminist - that's fine for a show I'll watch with the lady. James Bond? *shoots himself*
 
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whats really funny is that no one is talking about the fact they brought in Phoebe Wallace to "dress up" the movie back in 2018, she was the hottest thing around after Killing Eve and Fleabag and other bullshit chick crap. Of course she rewrites Bond to be a cuck faggot pussy and no one wants to go see it. You don't see a single article blaming her, instead everyone is blaming people for being too old for theaters (??) even though Venom 2 did almost double, that Bond is too old, and whatever other crazy ass excuses they can come up with other than "MAYBE THE SCRIPT SUCKED ASS".

The director is also asian (Fukunawa, who was awesome for True Detective and the Idris Elba africa warlord movie) so no one blames him, because white people apparently can only blame bad results on white men.

i mean jesus christ how is Hollywood full of retards like this
Cary Fukunawa is an amazing director, and everyone that I have watched says the movie is awesome from a technical perspective. It seems like, and I admittedly haven't seen it yet, they tried to have their Woke Cake and eat it as well. As Nerdrod said, it was a "gentle deconstruction": They wanted to let folks know that it was "DOWN with the patriarchy" but they were letting James down easy and trying to keep traditional fans happy as well.

What Hollywood somehow doesn't yet get is that Wokies don't buy things, or see things, they only post about how much things either adhere to their culty standards or don't and lambast them and say nasty things online. There also just not that many of the Woke faithful. There are the loud minority and those that follow along because they don't have any real convictions of their own and want to fit in. So "get woke, go broke" has and always will apply.

As for Phoebe Wallace-Cates, its sounds like just another in the long line of IP owners bringing in people who hate the IP to "freshen it up" i.e. destroy it, colonize it, make it into a shell of its former self for ideological purposes, like having Ta-Nehisi Coates write Captain America. It sounds like that didn't really happen here but what also didn't happen were things that Bond fans wanted to see, and as a result, the movie is doing poorly.
 

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As for Phoebe Wallace-Cates, its sounds like just another in the long line of IP owners bringing in people who hate the IP to "freshen it up" i.e. destroy it, colonize it, make it into a shell of its former self for ideological purposes, like having Ta-Nehisi Coates write Captain America.

Having Rian Johnson write The Last Jedi.
 
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In case you guys missed how movie the movie business works, the initial ticket sales have almost nothing to do with the quality of the movie. Even bad professional reviews and bad early audience reviews have little impact when compared to the weight of the marketing (to use a general term that includes the pull of the IP and of the cast/crew, the money spent on advertisements, the number of screens the film releases to, etc). Word of mouth has an impact past the initial release for the staying power of the film (how long and how fat the tail).

In the particular case of No Time to Die, both the professional and the audience reviews are solid enough to ensure decent staying power (84% / 88% on Rotten Tomatoes, 68 / 6.3 on Metacritics - most people think it's ok, not a lot think its great), but if anything hurt the initial ticket sales of this new Bond, it's the previous Bond (63% / 61% on RT, 60 / 6.8 on MC - the much lower audience RT score yet higher MC score must mean it's a more divisive entry, a few people really enjoyed that almost abstract mess).

Spectre being kinda lame has almost certainly more impact than the fact a plot element seems to be a rivalry between Bond and a black female agent or that an unexpected writer got on board.

Also, Angerz and Goatface make a good point about the length of the movie and the impact it has on the way it is shown in theaters. I am not sure all multiplex operators are keen on the idea of having half their screens be the new Bond movie because of its length. I remember there were some drama back in the days of Titanic : some theaters were showing it at 25 fps instead of 24, because the 10 minutes it saved allowed them to fit an extra screening in their schedule !
 
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