No Time to Die (007 Bond)

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In case you guys missed how movie the movie business works, the initial ticket sales have almost nothing to do with the quality of the movie. Even bad professional reviews and bad early audience reviews have little impact when compared to the weight of the marketing (to use a general term that includes the pull of the IP and of the cast/crew, the money spent on advertisements, the number of screens the film releases to, etc). Word of mouth has an impact past the initial release for the staying power of the film (how long and how fat the tail).

In the particular case of No Time to Die, both the professional and the audience reviews are solid enough to ensure decent staying power (84% / 88% on Rotten Tomatoes, 68 / 6.3 on Metacritics - most people think it's ok, not a lot think its great), but if anything hurt the initial ticket sales of this new Bond, it's the previous Bond (63% / 61% on RT, 60 / 6.8 on MC - the much lower audience RT score yet higher MC score must mean it's a more divisive entry, a few people really enjoyed that almost abstract mess).

Spectre being kinda lame has almost certainly more impact than the fact a plot element seems to be a rivalry between Bond and a black female agent or that an unexpected writer got on board.

Also, Angerz and Goatface make a good point about the length of the movie and the impact it has on the way it is shown in theaters. I am not sure all multiplex operators are keen on the idea of having half their screens be the new Bond movie because of its length. I remember there were some drama back in the days of Titanic : some theaters were showing it at 25 fps instead of 24, because the 10 minutes it saved allowed them to fit an extra screening in their schedule !
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I agree I think Spectre sucking was a huge reason this bombed, along with the run time.

I would not discount the rumblings of it looking like woke trash though. A big group of us guys are usually pretty excited to go see Bond movies, and no one was overly interested in this one. Part of that is Spectre being underwhelming, the other is just the non-stop rumblings of "changing Bond", and a black female 007 or whatever. It just immediately puts a questionable tint on things. It's anecdotal, but I would not underestimate the middle-class dad who sees that shit and rolls his eyes and decides he doesn't need to see Bond again.
 
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What sucks is I thought Fleabag and another show she did called "Crashing" was fucking hilarious. The moment they brought her in though, I rolled my eyes. Her writing a tv series as a self-deprecating, crash, "shitty" feminist - that's fine for a show I'll watch with the lady. James Bond? *shoots himself*
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The other other show she did is Killing Eve which is about a lesbian russian spy and a lesbian korean in a MI5 desk job or something.

I've seen bits and the lesbian russian spy is pretty awesome just murdering people and seducing the korean lady. This is what got her the Bond job clearly.

Reminds me of Paul Feige and the Ghostbusters girls who were great in the other Paul Feige movies but they were not a match for the IP, or Rian Johnson who is a good director on his other movies.

They get someone who is good and compliant to the agenda for these big franchises, it fails because their style clashes with the IP and because they are not fans of the IP (makes sense as they have been brought in to "fix" it) and so they are comfortable disrespecting it.

Anyway at least she isn't erasing Indian Jones from time and going through a time portal at Stonehenge so that she can star in remakes of the original trilogy.
 
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Anyway at least she isn't erasing Indian Jones from time and going through a time portal at Stonehenge so that she can star in remakes of the original trilogy.
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yeah i saw that rumor too. i dont think they would stoop that low, but in clown world, all bets are off.
 
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Anyway at least she isn't erasing Indian Jones from time and going through a time portal at Stonehenge so that she can star in remakes of the original trilogy.
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I'd watch this before I'd watch Indy 5.
 
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yeah i saw that rumor too. i dont think they would stoop that low, but in clown world, all bets are off.
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Spielberg pulled out for that reason. The story they wanted, plus the female Indy was just too much for him to stay on board for.
 
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Is it too much to ask for that ONE of our childhood heroes has a son to pass his legacy onto?
 
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At the end of the credits it says :

"James Bond Will Return"

They could have hedged their bets and said that "007" will return, but they did not. This seems to point to a potential full-on reboot for the next Bond film, which would be appropriate as the current Casino-Royale series is so grounded in the early 2000s.
 
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Without much of a spoiler, Bond has been retired for 5 years at the start of this movie.
 
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I saw this. The writer used pretty decent source material, in that its clear this was supposed to be the Metal Gear Solid movie. Guess that makes the black chick Meryl
 
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Is there really a point though? They wouldnt portray the 60s as the 60s we would want to see.
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we all know that in libshit world the 60s are only about two things, anti war and civil rights. nothing else happened that decade. Bond would be fighting racism and war with the Cong.
 
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apparently, the Halloween franchise is just as big as James Bond.
www.latimes.com

'Halloween' kills at the box office with a new horror record, as 'Last Duel' gets slayed

'Halloween Kills,' the latest entry in the blockbuster horror franchise, and period drama 'The Last Duel' face different fates in theaters this weekend.
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we dont even have a thread on this movie, i didnt even know this was still going, but thats because i'm out of touch. youg people rather see slasher films than watch old grampa Craig pretend to be an action hero.



Also coming off an underwhelming weekend at the domestic box office is No. 2 “No Time to Die,” which earned $24.3 million in its sophomore weekend for a North American cumulative of $99.5 million. The 56% drop is steeper than those of the previous two James Bond films, as well as other big franchise releases.

But internationally, Daniel Craig’s final performance as 007 amassed an additional $54 million for a massive global cumulative of $447.5 million. Also worth noting is that United Artists Releasing’s “No Time to Die” is on track to become the ninth movie of the year to accrue more than $100 million at the domestic box office.

Though both the “Halloween” and Bond franchises date back several decades, their divergent target demographics have merited different rates of success. Thanks to their horror genre, “Halloween” movies generally appeal to younger and more diverse moviegoers, who tend to come out in droves on opening weekend, Dergarabedian said.

Bond films, on the other hand, typically perform better among more mature audiences that are less likely to rush theaters all at once.
 
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Went to see this the other day. As expected, all the whining about 007 as a black woman is utterly irrelevant. It's a classic "the old and the young gauging each other and finding some mutual respect" storyline and it's barely a storyline at all. The movie does have two big problems : the antagonist makes no sense (and is not helped by Malek doing a "performance" ) and the technology at the very heart of the plot makes no sense either. These put aside, you get a pretty original Bond movie with a number of good scenes, thanks to a Fukunaga and crew on point.
 
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