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What I have found over the years, are the people that are clearly qualified, are too smart to take management/leadership positions. They don't want the headache. Don't want to deal with red tape or the people on that level. Who wants to play that game?
Yes, except when you are told you need management experience to make it to the next level or your org, then you're forced to bite the bullet.
 

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This is true. I work for the guberment and have to deal with a lot of other guberment agencies in my work. I'm constantly amazed at how often I find people of equal or higher seniority than me who are completely shit at their job. I'm talking about people who never answer their e-mails, and it's amazing if you can get them to answer their phones. You never know what they're doing. Don't seem to know what their job is about. And they don't even get a talk to from the boss! And here I am, trying to do my best, always finish jobs on time, always ready to help out, and they try and cut my working hours (illegally to boot!).
Its the good ole 80/20 rule. 80% of the work gets done by 20% of the people. Its like this basically everywhere I worked. Probably even worse in places where your job is pretty much guaranteed. Like unions, for example they dont have thr 20% there doing most of the work. Its pretty much everyone doing the least they can just to complete the job.
 

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Its the good ole 80/20 rule. 80% of the work gets done by 20% of the people. Its like this basically everywhere I worked. Probably even worse in places where your job is pretty much guaranteed. Like unions, for example they dont have thr 20% there doing most of the work. Its pretty much everyone doing the least they can just to complete the job.
You can have places where more than 20% is technically working hard, but because of bad processes and bad systems, it's all essentially wasted effort.

Just because people are working hard doesn't mean they are working effectively. You can have say, a financial system that has lots of manual entry for dealing with each invoice, and a lack of integration between systems that causes even more manual entry, and your billing specialists can go home every day exhausted, but none of that work is very useful.
 
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Yes, except when you are told you need management experience to make it to the next level or your org, then you're forced to bite the bullet.

That's different. You WANT to go there. To that next level. As opposed to them PUTTING John O'toole in that position, and we all know he sucks.
 

mkopec

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You can have places where more than 20% is technically working hard, but because of bad processes and bad systems, it's all essentially wasted effort.

Just because people are working hard doesn't mean they are working effectively. You can have say, a financial system that has lots of manual entry for dealing with each invoice, and a lack of integration between systems that causes even more manual entry, and your billing specialists can go home every day exhausted, but none of that work is very useful.
At my work which is a very technical job, not only do you have to have technical knowledge, but experience in the industry to boot plus some common sense in engineering and how shit works could help too ;D Its more like dumb people who just cannot do the job, so they try to hide as long as they can in a place until found out for being a no talent ass clown. So they get let go, they go to next place and do the same shit, maybe even get a raise. Rinse and repeat. And trust me there is a lot of those. So on paper there is dudes with 20+ yrs of engineering experience! But in reality this fuck stick could not engineer his way out of a paper bag if his life depended on it. But hey hes got his degree in "engineering technology" from whothefucknows where .univ. This is why people have to carry the burden of others, its not that some dont do work, its because they CANT. This is not a call center job, or data entry. You have to know your shit. Now were getting literal doctorates in mathematics and engineering from Mumbai university and holy shit, some of those mo fos are dumb as hell. Not all of them, because some are really smart and good, just have to wade through dozens before one actually shows up.
 
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Mist

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At my work which is a very technical job, not only do you have to have technical knowledge, but experience in the industry to boot plus some common sense in engineering and how shit works could help too ;D Its more like dumb people who just cannot do the job, so they try to hide as long as they can in a place until found out for being a no talent ass clown. So they get let go, they go to next place and do the same shit, maybe even get a raise. Rinse and repeat. And trust me there is a lot of those. So on paper there is dudes with 20+ yrs of engineering experience! But in reality this fuck stick could not engineer his way out of a paper bag if his life depended on it. But hey hes got his degree in "engineering technology" from whothefucknows where .univ. This is why people have to carry the burden of others, its not that some dont do work, its because they CANT. This is not a call center job, or data entry. You have to know your shit. Now were getting literal doctorates in mathematics and engineering from Mumbai university and holy shit, some of those mo fos are dumb as hell. Not all of them, because some are really smart and good, just have to wade through dozens before one actually shows up.
I have engineer in my title and I make phones go brrrrrr.
 
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I have engineer in my title and I make phones go brrrrrr.
This is exactly why it's so fucking easy to lie your way into jobs. The titles some companies kick around nowadays doesn't match a fucking thing that you actually do half the time.
 
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I specialize and acquisitions and procurement for a minor fee.
 
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This is exactly why it's so fucking easy to lie your way into jobs. The titles some companies kick around nowadays doesn't match a fucking thing that you actually do half the time.
It has more to do with the fact that any role within the whole broad class of "network engineer" is a complete misnomer. Most of the time you are not engineering anything, you are just trying to figure out why one piece of shit box from vendor A won't talk to some other piece of shit box from vendor B.
 
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working on aircraft we can tell pretty quick if you're a useless retard or not. guess that's the benefit of not hiring anyone directly right off the bat and having everyone go through a contracting company, if it doesn't work just shitcan.
 

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I totally spent 4 years managing a java database (please dear god don't ask me to actually do it).
 
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Brahma

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This is exactly why it's so fucking easy to lie your way into jobs. The titles some companies kick around nowadays doesn't match a fucking thing that you actually do half the time.

I'm not making this up. My title is: Sr. Infrastructure Data Resource Network Engineer. I make phones go brrrrrr....

That's my title to justify my pay. It's fuckin stupid.
 

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I'm not making this up. My title is: Sr. Infrastructure Data Resource Network Engineer. I make phones go brrrrrr....

That's my title to justify my pay. It's fuckin stupid.
I mean, it really depends how much money your company is losing per hour if phones stop going brrr.
 

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Got PC delivery notice for tomorrow. Less than 1 month from a 3 month estimate originally which is pretty exciting.

Ended up buying a last minute LG 48" OLED since the other 4k gaming monitor options just seem so poor for price but of course that doesn't ship until March 10th.

I'm going to play so many games.
 
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This is why we no longer have "janitor" but "sanitation technicians", and "fast food workers" are now "sandwich specialists" or some crap like that.
 

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I'm not making this up. My title is: Sr. Infrastructure Data Resource Network Engineer. I make phones go brrrrrr....

That's my title to justify my pay. It's fuckin stupid.
Yeah I’ve had an engineer title for 5 or 6 years now. I don’t have a college degree, and just some minor certs in training programs I’ve done over the years. I tell people I’m a Pretengineer. I don’t really care what my title is but when everyone’s an engineer the title loses meaning.
 

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I'm not an engineer. I'm a Specialized Technician, but the wide range of devices under my care make me anything but that.
 

ronne

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My company calls their sales people "solutions engineers" lol. That title has been abused so thoroughly in the IT space its lost all meaning.
 
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The only bright side to we non engineers is when we do something that shows up the real engineers that are arrogant/not good types. That burns their ass so much it’s hilarious. There’s one at my place who I’ve completely destroyed three of his in progress projects due to a better, way cheaper, simpler solution and the tears are so sweet.
 
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