shabushabu
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So are there "Obsidians" of the MMO space ? For some reason I am drawing a complete blank when I try to think of one.
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Not really, not that I can think of. Any new MMO development studios play out typically like the TES model where Zenimax invests large amounts of money creating a new team to build what they want.
MMOs and small budgets don't really go great together and people like Brad walk in and take a giant shit on the idea which surely sours the idea altogether.
Obsidian was what, Black Isle. They live on through Obsidian on a game to game basis. The equivalent would have to be something like a Visionary Realms that wasn't completely terrible.
There are a few dudes trying it with games like The Repopulation, I suppose.
shabushabu
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At least we have Everquest Next to look forward to, the true spiritual successor to Everquest.
Chukzombi
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Did WOW ever have something of an All Stars event as the EQ server BOTBs?
I don't know about WoW, but some players from that gained a reputation that lasts till this day. Back on VZTZ someone ran around impersonating Reefman for awhile, the winner of the Rogue BOTB, iirc.
This is why I fucking loath the hard coded division between factions in WoW. Instead of the amount of infamy and shittalk that came with EQ Red server battles and names of old foes instantly coming to mind, you get "some undead rogue" because all the other side really was in the end was a highly intelligent mob you fought that had little to no personality outside of their ability to gain notice unless you bought a second account to talk to the other faction like Blart did.
iannis
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Yeah. We were all kinda a big deal in EQ. Quick, lets tell each other our EQ names and see exactly how big of a deal we were. kekekekeke
People aren't dumb enough to stick around while you grief them anymore. lol.
Archeage is gonna be a lot of fun for about a month.
People aren't dumb enough to stick around while you grief them anymore. lol.
Archeage is gonna be a lot of fun for about a month.
Chukzombi
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our guild was the top guild on the server but we also had competition, one guild(a euro guild) we worked with and shared spawns so they could get a chance at stuff we were currently farming. then we had this other guild that raided when we raided and wanted to do what we did when we did it and did not want to work with us, this guild also did not want to work with the euro guild. this guild's leader had told our leader that he was going to push us out of the game and take every single spawn from us. our GL posted screencaps of it all on our message board and after that we were at war.
when we did dain, we always found muzzles of marduus or whatever its called on the corpses we were always trained when we went to raid somewhere. didnt matter if we were going after the big worm in luclin and this other guild wasnt raiding at all. they would send people to train adds on us. it had gotten to the point that we decided that not only were we going to win every spawn race but we also were going to destroy this guild. we ended up putting everything we could kill on lockdown at night and this euro guild kept everything on lockdown in the early day (est). GMs were always at our raids because this other guild had petitioned us as taking their mobs even when they were not in the zone in force or even able to kill the mobs. eventually the gms got annoyed with this guild and either told them to fuck off or they had to try the encounter we were going to kill right then. hilarity ensued after that as they died trying to pull mobs to the boss itself. was a great time for our guild because loot was rolling in like crazy and we were picking up this guild's members because their morale was so low from their guild leader trying to fight us on everything. our war ended by the end of pop because this other guild had been decimated and defeated at every turn.
moral of the story, little timmy doesnt deserve shit if he is going to be an asshole about it.
when we did dain, we always found muzzles of marduus or whatever its called on the corpses we were always trained when we went to raid somewhere. didnt matter if we were going after the big worm in luclin and this other guild wasnt raiding at all. they would send people to train adds on us. it had gotten to the point that we decided that not only were we going to win every spawn race but we also were going to destroy this guild. we ended up putting everything we could kill on lockdown at night and this euro guild kept everything on lockdown in the early day (est). GMs were always at our raids because this other guild had petitioned us as taking their mobs even when they were not in the zone in force or even able to kill the mobs. eventually the gms got annoyed with this guild and either told them to fuck off or they had to try the encounter we were going to kill right then. hilarity ensued after that as they died trying to pull mobs to the boss itself. was a great time for our guild because loot was rolling in like crazy and we were picking up this guild's members because their morale was so low from their guild leader trying to fight us on everything. our war ended by the end of pop because this other guild had been decimated and defeated at every turn.
moral of the story, little timmy doesnt deserve shit if he is going to be an asshole about it.
Black Isle, then Troika which made Bloodlines and Arcanum before it went under and then made Obsidian.
iannis
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TROIKA SO GOOD. Seriously there's overlap between them and Black Isle? That explains a lot. I had no idea. In retrospect it is obvious, but I had no idea.
I kinda felt ashamed to be playing a gay vampire game. But then I did the haunted house and was like, "Oh. I get it. This is a SUPER gay vampire game. SO GOOD."
I kinda felt ashamed to be playing a gay vampire game. But then I did the haunted house and was like, "Oh. I get it. This is a SUPER gay vampire game. SO GOOD."
shabushabu
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I tried to get the thread back on track like 4 pages ago, but people are too busy blowing up about who likes what games and how everyone else is wrong.
it's pretty obvious brad isn't going to give us anything juicy to talk about any time soon. so we have to do something to keep this thread going. might as well circle jerk about EQ again...
Did you like Fallout 2? Arcanum is fucking sex. It's the truest sequel we've had to FO2 ever. That said, turn it into turn based combat IMMEDIATELY. Sierra made them include a real time option cause of Diablo and it's terrible. It's also the default.
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One of the things I haven't seen mentioned in a while that I think contributed greatly to the original EQ feel was that it was really built on the bones of a PnP D&D campaign. Nothing else seems to have that complex interlocking of factions and "sides" that EQ brought to the table.
Also allow me to lament that WoW, through no fault of its own, effectively smothered the MMO playing field. I really thought back in 2001-2003 that we were going to see much more diversity in the MMO space, in much the same way the success of D&D gave us tons of PnP rulesets: Traveller, Gamma World, Top Secret, etc. I guess some of that logjam has started to clear in the last few years but we could certainly do with a ton more small teams and a few large ones competing over those players rather than having them all in one game. Does anyone even bother trying to make a game for 100k audience these days?
Edit: after deciding I should actually do a little research and looking at the list of games that have come out, it's probably unfair to say that there hasn't been any diversity. It still seems like WoW sucked all of the oxygen out of the MMO space.
Also allow me to lament that WoW, through no fault of its own, effectively smothered the MMO playing field. I really thought back in 2001-2003 that we were going to see much more diversity in the MMO space, in much the same way the success of D&D gave us tons of PnP rulesets: Traveller, Gamma World, Top Secret, etc. I guess some of that logjam has started to clear in the last few years but we could certainly do with a ton more small teams and a few large ones competing over those players rather than having them all in one game. Does anyone even bother trying to make a game for 100k audience these days?
Edit: after deciding I should actually do a little research and looking at the list of games that have come out, it's probably unfair to say that there hasn't been any diversity. It still seems like WoW sucked all of the oxygen out of the MMO space.