Loser Araysar
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We've seen you run a message board. You'd be lucky if you got 3 dollars from us to start a game studio.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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tad10
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Tannlin also has short excerpts of this thread on his pantheonrotf reddit - nothing that gogojira hasn't covered but useful if you can't read rerolled at work and don't want to get eyestrain from your phone.
I know everyone's lost in a sea of theorycrafting, but I really hope the team does something nice with the soundtrack. I'm a sucker for a good OST and anxious to see who is handling that end of Pantheon. Whatever tier I back, that needs to be a part of the package.
tad10
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Maybe NewCo can sell design your own guild flags at a reward level so you can get a unique flag for RPP (you know me).
Shit bring back mass buffing and get rid of that lock to group or raid buffing crap, let me cast virtue on everyone and their pets!!!
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Well? the idea of a limited skill load out is nice in theory, but one thing I found that has been lost in that translation -- particularly by GW2 -- is the availability of abilities that aren't necessarily "combat" related (i.e. spells that do damage to other things) but are a big part of defining the class. From WoW, think Mage's Blink, Rogue's Vanish, Hunter's Feign Death, etc. I don't really consider those "combat" abilities as they don't do damage.
Sure you can use them in combat, but I think any class-defining non-damaging abilities wouldn't fall into the same category as literal combat spells that are part of a rotation.
So, in my opinion there has to be also be a load out for non-combat abilities, or anything that might be classified as a non-core combat ability.
Also, the movement in GW2 is terrible? feels like you're ice skating all the time. The dodging is a nice element, but I'd prefer to see more precise movement of my character as in WoW or even SW:TOR. That feel is a big part of the enjoyment for me, and a key reason I dropped GW2 pretty quickly.
Couldn't agree more, please limit the number of spells on the screen. I could sit here forever listing the reasons why this style is better, but I think the reasons are clear.
The music is a major point of nostalgia for me. I also really like Vanguard's as well, its very fitting to the zones, good music, and its not overpowering.
I want my UI to look like this
And not like this
And for the record I like EQ2 better than GW2, but I think GW2's UI is much cleaner (the main reason for this is their lack of 90 spells on the screen at once). I also want to point out that I do NOT like that each slot on GW2 is limited to a specific type of spell. I think we should have between 8-15 slots to mix and match however we choose.
And not like this
And for the record I like EQ2 better than GW2, but I think GW2's UI is much cleaner (the main reason for this is their lack of 90 spells on the screen at once). I also want to point out that I do NOT like that each slot on GW2 is limited to a specific type of spell. I think we should have between 8-15 slots to mix and match however we choose.
Dear God, why? The combat? The clustered, bad zones? The shiny on the ground hunt? If I have one wish for every new MMO it's that they examine EQ2's combat system and do everything in their power to make their game not use any abomination like that.
I think it's safe to say most of us want a traditional and simple UI with limited buttons. My other issue is how many new games do 'actiony' combat. I think MMOs should focus on first person strategic combat that's group based, and not on twitchy fighting, personally. GCDs are a good thing.
To be fair, I agree with him. At least EQ2 is an actual fantasy MMO. GW2 is more like a first person shooter pretending to be an MMORPG. Twitch combat, running, rolling, shooting, dodging, running some more, duck, run, dodge...GW2 sucks.
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If we're worried about limited load outs, I'd like to see the same applied to melee.
I was playing my monk on live some, on Test...and I have like 20 buttons now. All "discs" that were originally more of "oh shit" buttons, which have now completely replaced innate skills (like kick, round kick, flying kick, etc) as extra "hit when on CD" buttons.
Yes, I know there's a proper rotation and blah blah blah if you want to get technical. Point stands though.
We all also love EQ's clickies, I'd bet? Usually those get hotbarred too though. How do people feel clickies fit into the "reduce hotbar bloat" situations?
I was playing my monk on live some, on Test...and I have like 20 buttons now. All "discs" that were originally more of "oh shit" buttons, which have now completely replaced innate skills (like kick, round kick, flying kick, etc) as extra "hit when on CD" buttons.
Yes, I know there's a proper rotation and blah blah blah if you want to get technical. Point stands though.
We all also love EQ's clickies, I'd bet? Usually those get hotbarred too though. How do people feel clickies fit into the "reduce hotbar bloat" situations?
If you think GW2 is twitch combat, there are a whole lot of other games that would like to speak with you.
Oh please. GW2 is closer to Battlefield then Everquest. The entire fight mechanics is build around a spastic, how fast can you run, jump, and click buttons. Its great if your 14 I suppose.
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In terms of hotkeys and shit, I think I'd like at most 2 full bars of skills for a given class(standard 12 slots bars, so 24abilities per class). Could have more if they're like cosmetics and super situational stuff like self illusions and what not. Then about 1 bar of items/consumables/clickies. I think it wouldn't hurt to restrict the amount of active clickies you can have. Say 3 or 4. You can slot them(so you can still use an item that has a clicky effect without using its clicky if it happens to also have good stats) and no combat swapping. Also buffs from clickies drop if you change the item, don't want to spend 10mins after every death gear swapping shit to buff myself.
24 seems like a solid number to me to have a lot of situational but useful abilities and shit. Half of that would be just that though, either longer cooldowns or situation specific spells, your main abilities should be between 6 and 10. Definitely don't want the limited bar systems, they always say shit like "oh but you can choose what you put on your bar and make builds, such novelty" but it's fucking shit when you play it, you're ultra limited in your "choices" and once a fight starts you're fucked if you didn't get the proper shit which is almost always since you don't want situational abilities on a small bar, you only want the most efficient ability that's usable in most situations. I didn't mind in GW1 because you truly had choice, there were like 120 abilities per class and like 8 or 10 whatever slot plus you could dual class, so you could make real builds, but GW2 is the complete opposite and is boring as fuck. Not as boring as Wildstar, but still boring.
24 seems like a solid number to me to have a lot of situational but useful abilities and shit. Half of that would be just that though, either longer cooldowns or situation specific spells, your main abilities should be between 6 and 10. Definitely don't want the limited bar systems, they always say shit like "oh but you can choose what you put on your bar and make builds, such novelty" but it's fucking shit when you play it, you're ultra limited in your "choices" and once a fight starts you're fucked if you didn't get the proper shit which is almost always since you don't want situational abilities on a small bar, you only want the most efficient ability that's usable in most situations. I didn't mind in GW1 because you truly had choice, there were like 120 abilities per class and like 8 or 10 whatever slot plus you could dual class, so you could make real builds, but GW2 is the complete opposite and is boring as fuck. Not as boring as Wildstar, but still boring.