Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO

I leveled a wizard off the metallica barbarians in WK by the water. Not really a secret place, but they were spread out so you could solo each of the three if I remember correctly. The lower level one was in his 20s, and they were a 6 min repop. You could literally solo in that spot using the three of them from around 25-40+. It was my goto spot when I didn't have time to group.

Also used Cyndreela in front of fear portal a lot pre-kunark, and then for my early 50s. Most people didn't want to mess with her dots. She was a high level caster and had very low hp. If you caught her before she buffed I think you could actually 2 shot her with ice comets.

I spent a sick amount of time killing the Millers in Qeynos Hills. Took a lot of my chars from low 20's to low 30's there. I was on SZ and QH was out of the way enough I could usually level in peace. Got a few GBSs while I was at it. Early days on the pvp servers GBSs were money

Still strolling down memory lane with camps I used to do in EQ:

Aviaks in South Karana.
Drolvargs in DL outside of Karnors.
Cocks in The OT.
The fort in Lake of Ill Omen.
Giants in Frontier Mountains ("OMG! Frost Loop dropped!").

And that's all before the really good places like UGuk, Unrest, KC, Chardok, Sebilis, Velks.

Was that shared exp penalty math deliberate? Or was it one of those fun "emergent features" that only happened by pure accident?

Edit: this was easier to google than I expected...
EQ Producers letter of 1/14/01

P.S. Just in case anyone forgot, "The Vision" has always been really fucking sketchy, at best.

The thing is though, some of the racial penalties made sense to me. Frontal Stun Immunity on an Ogre was hugely advantageous. Troll Regen and Iksar Regen were powerful passive buffs. Slam was a skill that was worth having and using for some classes. The Wood Elf originally had the highest AC in the game before they altered how Agility worked in early Classic. The Wood Elf Warrior was unique in that regard before the agility nerf and its just one of the many nerfs that I never fully understood. Normalizing the exp penalties was an easier way out of just balancing the unique traits of each race. People were still playing and leveling races and classes that had the exp penalties, but now instead of being shunned by one moron group, theyre praised over all others. Would you have rather had an Ogre Tank or a Human Tank after the exp changes? Easy answer.

All the talk of solo spots made me remember an idea for dungeon design. I wish the front of dungeons had a soloable mob or two on a slow repop rate so that it was doable, but not great exp. If you wanted to do the dungeon but didn't have a group, you could solo at the entrance waiting for groups to come in. It would be an easy way for the individual to find a group and for a group to add members.

elbas said:

All the talk of solo spots made me remember an idea for dungeon design. I wish the front of dungeons had a soloable mob or two on a slow repop rate so that it was doable, but not great exp. If you wanted to do the dungeon but didn't have a group, you could solo at the entrance waiting for groups to come in. It would be an easy way for the individual to find a group and for a group to add members.

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Several dungeons in EQ like that

In Lake Rathe the underwater gob shamans would summon the wolf pets over and over and they would path to the Rathe Mtn zone...we leveled like mad off that. Took awhile for them to fix it too. Unfortunately as a monk you saw that bug again in the old version of Plane of Hate where some mobs had multiple summoned pets and would agro all over the zone while pathing in different directions. Shit sucked to pull till they removed a lot of the bugs in that zone.

What no one else level by exploiting levitate in city of mist?

Here I am being elitist and thinking who didnt have levitate? And then I remembered not everyone had jboots and pegasus cloak back then.

a_skeleton_02 said:

I just love that originally humans were supposed to have the +10 xp bonus but they fucked up and gave it to halflings instead and decided since they never announced shit that they would keep quiet about it.

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As a Halfling Rogue, I really appreciated that 15% total bonus!

I spent this week watching all of Cohh's gameplay vids... They've sold me. It feels very much like old school EQ. Even the sound effects bring back EQ memories. It seems pretty obvious they took the old EQ foundation and just added a few elements from Vanguard and a few "new" ideas and came up with pretty much the exact game I was looking for. Only real criticism I have so far is some of the lore and playable races. Still don't completely understand the whole idea of races "arriving" on Terminus from other planets? That aspect seems a little too sci-fi ish to me. How did they "arrive"? I wish they would have divided the elves in sub races. No dark elves sucks. Not a big fan of the Dark Myr "mermaid" race either. Those are pretty minor issues though.

I was very doubtful early on that this game would get made. Seems pretty clear now, it's well on the way to being made. I'm going to pledge to at least the beta test level, perhaps even the alpha. Curious what people here think the odds are at this point, that the game launches and launches successfully? I'm by no means an expert, but I have followed a few MMO's during development... I would say 95% chance the game launches, with a 70% chance of a successful launch. Perhaps I am being overly optimistic... I very badly want the option to play this type of game again. I'm impressed as hell with what they have done so far!

I spent this week watching all of Cohh's gameplay vids... They've sold me. It feels very much like old school EQ. Even the sound effects bring back EQ memories. It seems pretty obvious they took the old EQ foundation and just added a few elements from Vanguard and a few "new" ideas and came up with pretty much the exact game I was looking for. Only real criticism I have so far is some of the lore and playable races. Still don't completely understand the whole idea of races "arriving" on Terminus from other planets? That aspect seems a little too sci-fi ish to me. How did they "arrive"? I wish they would have divided the elves in sub races. No dark elves sucks. Not a big fan of the Dark Myr "mermaid" race either. Those are pretty minor issues though.

I was very doubtful early on that this game would get made. Seems pretty clear now, it's well on the way to being made. I'm going to pledge to at least the beta test level, perhaps even the alpha. Curious what people here think the odds are at this point, that the game launches and launches successfully? I'm by no means an expert, but I have followed a few MMO's during development... I would say 95% chance the game launches, with a 70% chance of a successful launch. Perhaps I am being overly optimistic... I very badly want the option to play this type of game again. I'm impressed as hell with what they have done so far!