Quaid
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Uhhhh... Burden of proof is always on the person who makes a claim. That's kinda the basis of our entire modern legal system.
You claim SOE has lied to and back stabbed its customers for a decade, so prove it.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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You claim SOE has lied to and back stabbed its customers for a decade, so prove it.
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Thats the problem with human nature though. there are two sayings in my business and can probably relate to any business because thats just how people work and think.
1) Youre only as good as your last _______
1) You can do 100 positive things and no one gives a shit, its whats expected. But do that one negative thing and it can ruin your entire career.
1) Youre only as good as your last _______
1) You can do 100 positive things and no one gives a shit, its whats expected. But do that one negative thing and it can ruin your entire career.
There are good and bad Asian games. The problem isn't the developer location, it's simply those two games were absolutely terrible.
I'm with Quaid. SOE has released several games I've enjoyed quite a bit. I've never felt 'lied' or 'betrayed'. If you feel this way about a gaming company not named EA, you are trying to hard.
Big Flex
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While I agreed with you regarding SOE, that isn't "how things work"
If someone makes a claim, they should support it, disagreeing parties can then refute that claim also using evidence, you don't get to flagrantly make claims then the other part is solely responsible for back up their disagreement with evidence
If someone makes a claim, they should support it, disagreeing parties can then refute that claim also using evidence, you don't get to flagrantly make claims then the other part is solely responsible for back up their disagreement with evidence
Yeah I enjoyed Aion for a bit, I think there can be good Asian MMOs I'm thinking they got the rights to publish these games on the cheap and when they start to lose money on it they will pull the plug asap with no chance of renewal just like wizardry.
I just checked who made Dragons Prophet and apparently they made one game before it that is a Micro transaction based clone of World of Warcraft.
Not much hope.
Skanda
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You now get to pay a subscription so you can access the official super elite fanboy forums in the hopes that the tens of millions of people who will subscribe monthly to access them will fund the game.
He didn't even refute. He posted some dumbass retort saying: "Citation needed."
Citations are also not a requirement for "common knowledge" aspects.
This 21st century "university" bullshit is downright retarded.
This is not a court of law, even if it were, body of proof is not required to submit an accusation of wrong doing.
Fucking armchair lawyers.
(That isn't all at you Flex, just the initial line was)
Exactly. I don't even disagree with him. You don't get to shift the burden of proof because you want to be lazy though. If you're not prepared or willing to back up claims then you shouldn't be making them.
That being said going back to his post about doing a doctoral thesis. The big difference around here when it comes to SOE and Brad is how they went about their shitty practices. Brad came to us personally and then spent the months leading up to Vanguard's embarrassing launch lying through his fucking teeth. He was going back and forth with Ut about the state of the game and the entire time he knew that Ut was right. That is why people take issue with Brad around here more then a entire company. Brad made it personal by trying the "I'm just one of you!" routine. Curt Shilling did the same thing. If Curt ever tries to make another game and if he tries to hype it here he will get the same response.
Quaid
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Lol you are a fucking fool.
Why do all these retards from the Pantheon kickstarter comments section think it's a good idea for them to post here? I think 90% of them have been fistfucked into oblivion, and it looks like this one is next.
Seriously though, wtf is with the community this game is attracting so far? I haven't seen a bigger gaggle of squawking rejects since... Well... Ever.
Actually I take that back. Curt would get eaten alive if he tried to come back here. I'm sure anyone from RI would like to have a go at him.
Brad dredged the bottom of the lost MMO gamer river and brought up the angriest jaded old EQ players from all time. They will turn on him eventually and tear him to shreds.
Soygen
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So what are you insinuating by bitching that"Landmark "alpha" is the furthest thing from a true alpha I've ever been in. It is more akin to the earliest stages of beta."
Is that a bad thing?
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You said it yourself(at least, I'm pretty sure it was you), community trumps gameplay. And there weren't 5 MMOs in direct competition with EQ. There were 2, until 2001. Of which there were then 4 and one of them isstillwidely regarded as having the worst MMO release of all-time. By then, EQ had a stranglehold on most of the market that it had grown, thanks in large part to that community > gameplay situation. On top of that, games were mostly following the "EQ" model, so it was similar to what we are seeing with games copying WoW today. They release, steal a few thousand players from WoW for a month or three, and then they all end up right back. So, again, it absolutely was due to lack of competition and not knowing any better(we didn't know any better, because nobody was really trying anything "new" or "innovative" yet. We were still stuck in the model of grinding mobs for levels, camps, slower leveling curves, etc.)
Nor was EQ(directly? Yes. Indirectly? Hell no). Hell, half of the "good times" people pine for here are because of PvP related issues. Guild drama, loot drama, server drama, PvP servers, etc. EVE offers all of that and a whole lot more. It has a fairly robust PvE system, rife with exploration, "dungeons", large consequences/setbacks for dying, etc. So, I'm not really sure what point you're trying to get at by saying EVE is not a "PvE" game, nor how it is really relevant one way or the other.
Absolutely they do. I agree with you entirely. Do you honestly feel confident that Brad is the man up to that task?
I also agree here. I'm not entirely sure there is going to be another large growth of the market, like we saw with EQ and WoW. I definitely think the MMO space is going to segment down into niches, once things become cheaper/faster to build. I think EQN/L has thepotentialto grow the market, but even if it does, I really don't think we'll see another explosion like we did with EQ and WoW, from a pure percentage standpoint.
And that's the issue with "difficulty" in the MMO space. There's a very fine line between real,actualdifficulty, and just simple tedium. I think EQ did a horrible job with that balance. 99% of the "difficulty" associated with EQ was nothing more than tedium. Does that mean it'll be impossible for a team to strikejustthe right balance? Absolutely not, but I think it's going to take many iterations before it's struck, and like we've been discussing, MMOs aren't exactly cheap ventures at this moment in time.
Hmm well... "From the pantheon kickstarter."
I guess being around these forums before the latest and greatest incarnation doesn't mean much.
I mean, for christ's sake... How could I have a normal life not ego-stroking people on a forum for 4 years right?
If you're looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.
The pantheon fans circle-jerk has nothing on the RR circle-jerk, that's for sure. At least their's will end with a semi and no happy ending... This one has gone on long and strong with no end in sight.