Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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It was more than two I think. Legacy of Steel was pretty much the Blizzard dev's EQ guild. I played on The Nameless back then, and I'm pretty sure I remember it was Rob Pardo playing Ariel, the Guild leader of LoS, and I remember at least one other, Laminae maybe? posting original artwork straight out of what looked like the WoW design docs. Tigole was teaching English or something when he joined LoS. Playing EQ and meeting those guys made him a bazillionaire.
But yeah, they definitely took the EQ formula and reworked into the juggernaut it became. That's not a slight at Blizz either. That's often how you succeed, by taking something cool but flawed and perfecting it, refining it, and reselling the better version to the masses. That's not easy to do at all.
Rust has a huge community. So does DayZ and H1Z1. I'd say those games blazed a trail.
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Did Rust ever get their shit together, or are people just hanging on hoping the devs make the game they said they would.
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They randomly assign you a race/dick size when you first start the game and you can't change it. Sounds like they've got it together.
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Interesting. Had never heard of Kalevala before, thanks for the reference. It's really clear how much it influenced Tolkien's Silmarillion.
That said, I'm talking specifically about the whole paradigm Tolkien created with Middle Earth-- not just his creation story. The whole idea of elves, dwarves, orcs, trolls, halflings, etc, their culture, and how they interact in an epic medieval-fantasy setting. Of course Tolkien was influenced by all kinds of things when he came up with his Middle Earth concept, but what I am saying is that (unlike a lot of the iterations that came after him), with Tolkien, you can't point to a single predating literary source and say, "Ok, Tolkien's Middle Earth was just an iteration of X, Y, or Z." Middle Earth is clearly much more than just an iteration of Kalevala-- even if the creation element of his concept is heavily influenced by Kalevala.
No idea is completely original, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that Tolkien's paradigm was both intricate and original enough to qualify as the foundation for our concept of what epic medieval-fantasy is today.
Pantheon has had more advertising/Community interaction than any other MMO since SWTOR. Even if it's low key stuff like banner ads and Facebook targeting it's smart, I never understood peoples decisions to rely only on streamers and word of mouth to advertise MMOS. Traditional online advertising still works that's why you see wow banner ads still after 12 years.
Anyone remember that EQ documentary they did with Smed and Brad and all of the other old guard EQ people? They should make another one now that they are all unemployed, maybe dish some dirt and pull on your nostalgia strings while using it to hype up Pantheon AND Smed's 8bit game.
Hell Blizzard just did the same thing with that bullshit "The Fall of Titan" that was basically an advertisement for overwatch. I think Brad would be perfect for a infomercial style documentary.
Anyone remember that EQ documentary they did with Smed and Brad and all of the other old guard EQ people? They should make another one now that they are all unemployed, maybe dish some dirt and pull on your nostalgia strings while using it to hype up Pantheon AND Smed's 8bit game.
Hell Blizzard just did the same thing with that bullshit "The Fall of Titan" that was basically an advertisement for overwatch. I think Brad would be perfect for a infomercial style documentary.
Didn't Tigole and Furor just make quests and shit then eventually transition into raid content? I don't think they were game designers at that point in time.
Some would say that WoW's quests and quest system was it's standout and most popular feature. They got brought on board very early I'd be surprised if they didn't have some sort of say in the development of at least the questing system.
I don't think the mentioned two designed the idea of 1-60 quest content. Yes the quests were good but I imagine the idea of "level by questing" wasn't their idea. But I also have no clue. I know everytime Tigole talks about his early days at Blizzard he just talks about making quests but rarely at Blizzard does anyone claim credit for anything.
Agreed, Honestly that original team at Blizzard was something else. I doubt any single person could claim credit for any specific thing in that game. They had great developers and really took the pulse of the MMO industry at the time it was a piece of art.
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IIRC big furor did the vanilla Hearthglen questline which was probably the best shit in the game. Introduced Tirion and then his son dying and all that stuff.
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Right. I've never heard anyone claim Tolkien had anything to do with design intricacies of mmos. But that's a totally different claim than crediting him as the the primary driving force for what our general understanding of what medieval-fantasy worlds are today.