Skanda
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So nothing that should have taken a month or 160k dollars. That shit in Unity takes days at most.
Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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I understand, I more meant that you do more to make the game visible than the people responsible for it.
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People are questioning the money. It was even asked in the interview.
What I think happen, and I said this earlier, is the direction switched from full on production to we need to make a demo. Brad said that wasn't the case, but that's how I feel looking from the outside in.
shabushabu
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You know, i saw this post and LOL'd but you are probably right... business guy needed. But Smed has not exactly lit the world on fire since either.
Skanda
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I hope not a single person involved with this scam ever finds a job in the game industry again. This entire process has been one long chain of abuse against those foolish enough to trust Brad again. Brad and Salim should be consigned to burger flipping for the rest of their lives because it's painfully obvious they're not to be trusted with anything more creatively taxing than stacking a Big Mac. What's worse about this is they're still trying to string people along by dangling that thin thread of hope in their faces.
The money still raises some serious concern. I'm going to guess what's being paid back to the workers as "industry standard" is minimal for all but a couple of people. Where did the $160,000 go? I mean, they only just landed that money and it's been spent. I wanna see the receipts.
If it was used to pay off a bunch of bills and past debt, whoever managed that did about the most corrupt bullshit imaginably. The demo, which from what I gather does exist in a very early form, didn't magically absorb that money unless they went shopping for every available comic book text on the Unity store.
If I had any money in this at all, I'd demand an analysis of what was spent where. It wouldn't bring any results, but these people should be screaming for answers.
I've got a pretty good idea of how this all happened, and I think some good people are getting screwed in the process with the ugly stain that is this whole blotched campaign.
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That's stuff they've started while the KS was going on (remember the first twitch interview with Vu?). So Salim saying they had this 'demo'/prototype or whatever else you want to call it pre-KS is a load of shit. It took like 10 days before the first Sunken Sanctum screenshot was even shown (remember the first rough dungeon layout?). Vu said in that first twitch stream that he was just screwing around with the assets at the time anyway. All those pictures show are a more fleshed out scene (the same one btw) that was in the first twitch stream.
I agree with you that they probably saw how the KS was going and figured, we better get something better out there but there is no freaking way the whole 160K paid for that. And yet no one should be surprised. He couldn't manage 30 million from MS, obviously 160k is too much for him as well.
And still people will trust him to handle the money for a Big Mac ...
Fools just keeps lining up to get ripped off by this guy.
I believe there's a Unity thing that allows you to look at the hollow castle they've shown a few times. Using the word demo very loosely here.
shabushabu
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He's on theRob and Danshow right now and things have already gotten a bit awkward after a comment was read from the KTAM guys.
Sony span Verant/989 off because they were convinced it was Smed's useless friends hoovering up cash for bullshit. Then it turns out that ripping off Sojourn/TorilMUD, bolting on a 3d engine, and replacing the setting with Bill Trost's D&D campaign world was actually going to make money. (Mainly because it was the DAWN OF THE INTERNET ERA and the only competition in this space was Battle Royale/The Hunger Games in isometrics sprites and a weird non-3d-accelerated odd (non-traditional) fantasy world. But still).
So they (eventually) brought it back in-house again. Then Brad 'left' shortly thereafter.
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Quote from Brad the man.
"Thank you Oberson. Making an MMO does take a lot of time -- 3 years for EQ, 5 years for Vanguard, and the plan for Pantheon being 3 years once we're able to offer full time employment and an office.
The crowd-funding we did to bring us to this state, where we have a solid business plan, term sheet, and demo/prototype. We made every effort to be up front with that and, seriously, I don't think anyone ever believed the entire game could be made from crowdfunding.
So, again, the good news is that the crowd-funding was used to get us poised to reach out to investors (something we've been already doing for more than a month, but without the ability to provide potential investors with the information they really need and want). We acheived what we publicy set out to achieve.
The bummer is that there is not more money to that development could continue forward; instead, it's in 'hybernation' mode, ready to be turned back on as soon as funding is secured.
It's hard to hear that, and it breaks my heart and I know disappoints a lot of people. I feel that too. But I also remain optimistic and I am a huge believer in Pantheon and that a significant group of MMO players are out there, wanting this game to be made. So I'm not giving up, and hopefully you guys won't either.
keepin' it real,
-Brad "
The devs are all looking for new work. If this even gets funded its going to be a completely different team lol.
"Thank you Oberson. Making an MMO does take a lot of time -- 3 years for EQ, 5 years for Vanguard, and the plan for Pantheon being 3 years once we're able to offer full time employment and an office.
The crowd-funding we did to bring us to this state, where we have a solid business plan, term sheet, and demo/prototype. We made every effort to be up front with that and, seriously, I don't think anyone ever believed the entire game could be made from crowdfunding.
So, again, the good news is that the crowd-funding was used to get us poised to reach out to investors (something we've been already doing for more than a month, but without the ability to provide potential investors with the information they really need and want). We acheived what we publicy set out to achieve.
The bummer is that there is not more money to that development could continue forward; instead, it's in 'hybernation' mode, ready to be turned back on as soon as funding is secured.
It's hard to hear that, and it breaks my heart and I know disappoints a lot of people. I feel that too. But I also remain optimistic and I am a huge believer in Pantheon and that a significant group of MMO players are out there, wanting this game to be made. So I'm not giving up, and hopefully you guys won't either.
keepin' it real,
-Brad "
The devs are all looking for new work. If this even gets funded its going to be a completely different team lol.
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shabushabu
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Kudos i have been seeing your posts on here and foh for years now and still look far too long at your avatar.