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Didn't mathil do a frostbolt-ice nova char a league or two ago using some shaper staff? If I recall correctly he said the build was a beast once you got used to the casting. I started making a staff for the build (maybe even finished it) but never ended up making the character.

Found it, this is one of the videos on it:

 
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The build is fine, I just couldn't get it to click in a cohesive zoom zoom manner. It felt like I was fighting fb in interaction more than benefitting from it.

ED contagion suffers from similar issues, just not as severely. Think of the times you cast contagion twice and ED none. Or you send it wide. Fb in has similar clearing hiccups but they feel worse.

ED contagion makes up for with beautiful flexible chains. Fb in, you get great dps in a cone. Lots of builds do that. What's my payoff for self casting two spells? Note how a lot of his highlights were in relatively open areas.
 
LachiusTZ

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I just spent like 4 hours in PoB...

Couldn't get a guardian CoC setup

Might try the Ed one since I have that gear

Blight totems could be sexy in that build
 
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So I got the berserker leveled up and while it’s a strong ascendancy I just get too annoyed with stack maintenance. I don’t see any chatter about it from anyone else so I suppose it’s fine for the majority but it gets tiring playing what is almost literally two different classes all the time. Specifically with rage I’d rather it started at max, no annoying restack every time you stop to do anything or enter a new area. I especially love it when shaper prattles on endlessly while the bar empties itself back to zero. It’s not that I have to have a full rage bar to kill anything but the character just feels shitty when it’s missing half the ascendancy.
 
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LachiusTZ said:
I just spent like 4 hours in PoB...

Couldn't get a guardian CoC setup

Might try the Ed one since I have that gear

Blight totems could be sexy in that build
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The gear and tree requirements for a CoC build is likely too high. You sacrifice too much dps for the tankiness gains. I tried a scourge arrow build for shits and giggles and gave up after 5 minutes.

The archetypes I listed work because they don't have much scaling outside of a few pieces of gear and passives on the tree. Pledge of Hand FB-IC gets a MASSIVE 4x multiplier just from Spell Echo - Greater Spell Echo, there's most of your damage, just pick up some spell crit nodes on the tree. HoAg is famous for not needing any gear to do decent damage. And ED/Contagion just needs the chaos multi passives and a good weapon, you've got most of your scaling there.

Most other builds get substantial benefits to their dps from most gear slots and passives on the tree.
 
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Warmuth said:
So I got the berserker leveled up and while it’s a strong ascendancy I just get too annoyed with stack maintenance. I don’t see any chatter about it from anyone else so I suppose it’s fine for the majority but it gets tiring playing what is almost literally two different classes all the time. Specifically with rage I’d rather it started at max, no annoying restack every time you stop to do anything or enter a new area. I especially love it when shaper prattles on endlessly while the bar empties itself back to zero. It’s not that I have to have a full rage bar to kill anything but the character just feels shitty when it’s missing half the ascendancy.
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What's your attack time on Sweep? That may have been a bad choice for stacking rage and Blitz charges. Most people aren't complaining because they tried Berserker with Cyclone ;)
 
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What's your attack time on Sweep? That may have been a bad choice for stacking rage and Blitz charges. Most people aren't complaining because they tried Berserker with Cyclone ;)
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I think I’m at just under 5 aps. Rage gain is one per .3 secs though, not sure if that’s able to be modified, so I should be stacking at capacity most of the time. Movement fights though cyclone shits all over it since I won’t be hitting nearly as consistently. Blitz charges i plain gave up on, the total loss of all charges is retarded. At least rage is decent enough to let me go pick up my alch without completely falling off. It really limits using berserk too, by the time rage is finally stacked the fight or phase(super fun when you lose charges to that bullshit) is over. I get to use it for fun on some map bosses I guess.

It’s not broken or anything, just annoying enough for me to roll up another slayer.
 
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Deathwing said:
The gear and tree requirements for a CoC build is likely too high. You sacrifice too much dps for the tankiness gains. I tried a scourge arrow build for shits and giggles and gave up after 5 minutes.

The archetypes I listed work because they don't have much scaling outside of a few pieces of gear and passives on the tree. Pledge of Hand FB-IC gets a MASSIVE 4x multiplier just from Spell Echo - Greater Spell Echo, there's most of your damage, just pick up some spell crit nodes on the tree. HoAg is famous for not needing any gear to do decent damage. And ED/Contagion just needs the chaos multi passives and a good weapon, you've got most of your scaling there.

Most other builds get substantial benefits to their dps from most gear slots and passives on the tree.
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Yeah, I was just tinkering w/ the idea.

Looked up a few builds, scorching ray, shock nova, etc.

Arent most of the ED / Cont dps passives for chaos on the far side of the tree? I dont think I'll have time to mess w/ it today
 
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Yeah, might be worth looking into.

I looked at the ascendancies and couldnt find ones that line up great either, I guess guardian for survivability?

Might be the way to go
 
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it took me until lvl 60 to start actually liking ED trickster. I only lvling it because cyclone is stupid and expensive at the high end
 
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The build is fine, I just couldn't get it to click in a cohesive zoom zoom manner. It felt like I was fighting fb in interaction more than benefitting from it.
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Eh some of the more balanced (still good just not wtf nerfed next patch) builds trade a little zoom zoom for engage bosses/encounters starting after precasting waves of rolling instant death.
 
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I think I’m at just under 5 aps. Rage gain is one per .3 secs though, not sure if that’s able to be modified, so I should be stacking at capacity most of the time. Movement fights though cyclone shits all over it since I won’t be hitting nearly as consistently. Blitz charges i plain gave up on, the total loss of all charges is retarded. At least rage is decent enough to let me go pick up my alch without completely falling off. It really limits using berserk too, by the time rage is finally stacked the fight or phase(super fun when you lose charges to that bullshit) is over. I get to use it for fun on some map bosses I guess.

It’s not broken or anything, just annoying enough for me to roll up another slayer.
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My point is that with Cyclone, you're pretty much guaranteed to be on that 0.3s CD. If you use Rage support, you build your rage to max in ~10s. However, in your case, due to granularity of attack and I'm guessing not using Rage support, you're building rage only once every 0.4s, that's ~20s. For QoL, I preferred Rage support and Berserker, or forget the mechanic altogether.


Nirgon Nirgon yeah, I get that. I honestly think animation canceling made the 1-2 combo playstyle worse. It's now possible to cancel 1 with 2, fucking the whole thing up. Precasting FBs on bosses IS a benefit of the build, no doubt.

LachiusTZ LachiusTZ Here's my preliminary PoB. It's not really that much different than what you can find on poe.ninja. The build is more common on hardcore, obviously. Key differences: I ditched Shaper's Touch so I could support Contagion with Faster Casting. I wanted to keep Contagion - ED close or ideally under 0.5s total.

I wish I could work the life and mana reservation a bit more, I hate leaving that much life unreserved.

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Vanderhoof

Vanderhoof

Trakanon Raider
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Finally killed uber elder. Phys 2h axe RT slayer. Ive been forced to continue using a 6L disfavour because I keep annulling the 20 fortify of my elder vaal axe base...
 
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LachiusTZ

LachiusTZ

Rogue Deathwalker Box
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Deathwing said:
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Swapped in my ED / Cont guys bow, gives a pretty solid dps bump
 
zombiewizardhawk

zombiewizardhawk

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Deathwing said:
What's my payoff for self casting two spells?
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Huge dps? Using a skill/build that you enjoy? Literally the same potential payoffs you get from any build that isn't "the absolute best of the current meta" (which appears to be HH cyclone this go around)?

I don't understand why you try to make new builds and then just complain that they aren't equal to whatever the current best build(s) is/are, every time.
 
LachiusTZ

LachiusTZ

Rogue Deathwalker Box
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Deathwing said:
yes, but then you lose that sweet shield. I've actually found that if you care about the damage of your blight, bows are overall dps neutral.
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It was like a 40% ED dps increase. I didnt even look at it for blight.

Shield is nice, but cant you get the same effect using blood magic and moving auras to boots etc?

I'm going to tinker with it some in the next few days and see if how I can get the blight totem dps on that build. For some stupid reason I am fixated on that.
 
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