Path of Exile

Id like Fortify to get a shorter duration but stacks like winterorb. And then buff it by giving a bigger dmg reduction corresponding to your amount of stacks.

In essence i'd like fortify to be an actual survival equalizer between melee and range but as long as its so easy for range builds to use they cant buff it.

Deathwing said:

I honestly didn't have a problem with screenwide Cyclone. I'd like to know the specifics as to why they did. Maybe it doesn't fit the "flavor" of melee. Maybe they got spooked by 40% of the meta playing Cyclone(not CoC or CwC). Maybe they misinterpreted the data because Cyclone was the only melee skill given a bonafide makeover that patch.

Ok, that's not completely fair, lots of other melee skills were tried that patch and were overshadowed by Cyclone. I imagine if Pulverize was still more area instead of increased, you'd be seeing more melee variety.

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I started legion with Lacerate and it was pretty good, I was in red maps and doing quite well and it felt nice. The only reason I stopped that build was a mirror drop and then I went cyclone as i could actually afford to do it properly with a HH.

Might well have stayed lacerate if that hadn't happened as it was doing just fine, it just wasn't as good as cyclone was.

Thregin said:

Id like Fortify to get a shorter duration but stacks like winterorb. And then buff it by giving a bigger dmg reduction corresponding to your amount of stacks.

In essence i'd like fortify to be an actual survival equalizer between melee and range but as long as its so easy for range builds to use they cant buff it.

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You would be unkillable on something like a neb jugg if this happened.

To make melee viable, you’re going to have reign in spells, ranged, and triggers. That’s going to cause a massive uproar. They’re also going to have to redo some of the buffs to content and just rethink certain mechanics.

otherwise, the only way to make it equivalent is Screenwide melee skills. Screenwide cyclone did look absurd.

I think finding some ways to make melee guard skills more powerful or maybe linking them to a mechanic like arcane cloak to mana would be a way to go. Right now, people just find ways to incorporate survival mechanics to make non-melee better.

Yea I'm not sure you can "fix" melee given the current state of the game. Just the nature of having to stop and attack a pack of mobs at all means that the entire swath of skills that operate that way are basically not viable.

Cyclone sort of works because you just never stop, but it's barely a melee skill anyway. Lacerate is probably the only other "good" melee skill and again, that's not even really a melee skill either given the size of it's AE. As good as lacerate is though the difference in clear speed between Lacerate and something like brands or minions or any of a dozen bow skills is laughable really.

The crazy part is a lot of the strike skills are not even that bad? At least in terms of like raw DPS potential. The issue is there's not really any way to make them competitive in terms of gameplay smoothness and clear speed just due to their very nature. And that doesn't even get in to the realities of having to get up on top of mobs and how much more danger you are in constantly just to use your attacks. Fortify isn't even close to enough to make up the survivability gap provided by just never being in range of most mobs in the first place, not to mention how it is a bad DPS link to begin with and then requires some amount more tree investment in. And then yea, casters just slap it in shield charge anyway.

Just playing with the numbers on skills isn't gonna change anything really, you'd have to redesign the reward structure of maps entirely and weight it all massively to the boss or some other smaller number of encounters within the map. Barring any massive conceptual overhauls to the way mapping flows I just don't see melee ever being "good" outside of a few specific cases.

So the POB fork added support for the new snipe helmet.

INFINITY DAMAGE

Deathwing said:

Really hope this mechanic, at least in its current form, does not go core. I'm enjoying the new content but only because it is new. The inability to stop and pickup the loot I like to pickup is not at all relaxing.

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Agree wholeheartedly. I liked the Simulacrum because it dropped the loot at the end of killing. That would be a simple fix to not make the mechanic feel too go-go-go.

All this is reminding me on why I planned to skip this league. I love melee. And it sucks ass here.

the only fix would be to completely upend the economy design away from clear speed. That will never happen since the economy is going to dictate that profit and efficiency win.

I dunno, the POB calculations feel pretty accurate in game. A single 6 charge snipe destroys every conqueror in one hit and phases Sirus for me right now.

Hitting Sirus with a full 6 charge in the final phase is another matter heh.

Are there any builds that can do screen-clearing goodness with decent ST and enough tankiness for delerium that also only cost ~15 ex or less?

Deathwing said:

Ah, it's total damage per bleed, that's fucking stupid and they should remove that.

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Yea I wonder if this survives next league. The damage is pretty absurd, but it's also real clunky versus certain fights like uber elder or sirus just due to how much the targets move around.

Might be a decent build to league start with though, as split arrow or rain of arrows will just destroy story and carry you pretty far in early maps with basically 0 gear, then just have snipe as an option later on when you hit endgame.

Yea it's pretty wild just how awful a lot of builds feel in delirium content.

At this point I just use a single orb on every red map so I can play whatever mostly normally, but that's not really a viable solution given how rare they are.