James
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zombiewizardhawk
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Yeah the playstyle isn't the smoothest but the skill is (and has been for a long time) top tier in terms of power.
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It would be pretty cool if they nerfed BV damage moderately and made it instant cast. Smooth playstyle for main skilling and lots of utility for applying on-hit effects in tons of builds.
I actually can't think of anything I want to start the league with now that isn't JUST a starter build. You know, something that can go starter through to the end game. Mines and BV are janky, arc traps have been nerfed(in the worst way possible), molten strike got a slight toning down(which it deserves) but I just played that for 3.4.
I'd pick a CoC build, but no way is that a good starter.
I actually can't think of anything I want to start the league with now that isn't JUST a starter build. You know, something that can go starter through to the end game. Mines and BV are janky, arc traps have been nerfed(in the worst way possible), molten strike got a slight toning down(which it deserves) but I just played that for 3.4.
I'd pick a CoC build, but no way is that a good starter.
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Jonkimble
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Making it instacast would then remove the purpose of stacking it as an opportunity cost, since you would just be spamming it at max stacks all day long. Might as well make it one stack.
My CoC build will be second; currently planning to do either champion 2h impale, or some kind of Ice Spear/Winter Orb/Arctic Breath/cold caster thingy.
My CoC build will be second; currently planning to do either champion 2h impale, or some kind of Ice Spear/Winter Orb/Arctic Breath/cold caster thingy.
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Opportunity cost still exists in devoting supports and links to make maintaining those stacks worth anything. There are many builds that don't have to stop to dps. Not coincidentally, to me at least, these are the best builds
Before 3.4, you couldn't maintain Arcane Surge without stopping to cast, playing a Hiero, or stupidly linking it to your dps skill. Now you can, and the game is better for it.
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Did you miss the HoAg part?
Edit: To clarify, I've seen 50+ex BV videos where they kill uber elder in 2:45 or so. Both HoAg/DD and DD/Spectres/Animate Guardian can do it in pretty much 3 minutes on the dot, for a small fraction of the cost.
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zombiewizardhawk
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What weapon other than a couple builds that can use a cheap unique (ie builds that actually use rares) can do end-game content with a shit-tier rare weapon. My BV/Flurry char in beastiary used a claw that was worth about 10ex and it was decent but as I said before even with that and a decent stat stick it was still shit damage compared to my 8ex total ele hit scion in delve...
Might wanna wait on that haha
It's pretty shitty checking out self-cast builds and just seeing a million BV variations, hoping for lots of changes tomorrow.
It's pretty shitty checking out self-cast builds and just seeing a million BV variations, hoping for lots of changes tomorrow.
Jonkimble
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My dual ahn's might cleave jugg did Uber Elder. I think I bought them both for 10c each. Boss DPS was like 600k!
Opportunity cost still exists in devoting supports and links to make maintaining those stacks worth anything. There are many builds that don't have to stop to dps. Not coincidentally, to me at least, these are the best builds
Before 3.4, you couldn't maintain Arcane Surge without stopping to cast, playing a Hiero, or stupidly linking it to your dps skill. Now you can, and the game is better for it.
That's a support buff you are comparing to rather than a main DPS skill. What main DPS skill does not stop to cast/attack something?
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zombiewizardhawk
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Jonkimble
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Missed that part. Hard to say. Very few. You can expect that anyone that makes it to uber elder will have several exalts invested. Also depends on your playstyle, skill level, and knowledge of the fight. Not a lot of people are comfortable with melee builds, regardless of investment. I play melee builds 80% of the time, so I could have probably used your BFlurry build from bestiary and shit on elder pretty easily. From a DPS:Currency Invested perspective, shit gets pretty unbalanced.
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Consecrated Path
Flicker Strike
Cyclone(I'll admit this one is debatable)
Charged Dash
Many autobomber builds based on dual Heralds or triggering uniques. These are going to increase dramatically with the return of CoC.
Jonkimble
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Consecrated Path/Flicker Strike I'll give you that they don't stop moving, but they don't have the same control as moving around with really high movespeed(ie: quicksilver popped), which definitely comes into play during boss fights(uber elder). Cyclone is middle groundish. Charged Dash though....what are you doing during the charge? Autobombers don't kill bosses, so that's only half of the equation.
zombiewizardhawk
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Yes but could you shit on him with a 300dps claw that has 7% crit and no stat stick to boost your damage? My damage was acceptable with a damn good claw and a decent stat stick but only acceptable, nowhere near fantastic.
Jonkimble
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Most likely I could have...but I also didn't play this whole league so if you asked me to do it right now I don't think I could without a few sets to practice. It isn't too different from Ahn's might in functionality(melee weapon with 300ish dps) though. I would then be using bladeflurry instead of cleave which would make it a lot easier tbh!
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I use autobomber to classify any build that moves and kills at the same time, maybe that's a misuse. Mjolner, Cospris, Poets Pen all fit under this and can easily kill bosses.
I don't like Charged dash buts it's a delayed move and kill. It techincally counts but in a janky way, likely why I don't play it.
I'll probably do a MF FB deadeye until something interesting solidifies. Too many established builds are under the gun. I'm hoping someone figures out a tanky CoC build because I sure haven't.
