Project Epoch - WoW Classic+

Kaines · 2025-07-29T13:05:07-0400

TJT said:
Old man, you are comparing Bronzebeard and Epoch in that sentence.

I admit they are all starting to run together now.

TJT · 2025-07-29T13:05:36-0400

Let the hate flow and the hypesters can fuck off so I can enjoy my nice quiet server. That sounds great actually!

TJT · 2025-07-29T13:13:13-0400

Tide27 said:
What is the real difference between turtle and epoch?

Epoch -> This one. Classic+ with new locations, dungeons, etc 25 man raids
- No player shop (yet).
- Based on TBC class balance.
Turtle -> Classic+ that tries to maintain being true to classic specifically and does not include certain QOL things (Bloodlust only effects the Shaman for example) and tries to expand upon their interpretation of Classic classes and design. Trying to push them further.
- I like Turtle a lot and have a 60 warlock and some lowbies on there I play from time to time. I've never really raided though.
- Their class updates are cool. They have more custom dungeons and locations and raids. They are even making Wildhammer a faction and other cool stuff.
- Expansive player shop offering QOL items like bag space and vendor pets.
Bronzebeard -> Part of the Ascension Ecosystem.
- Expansive player shop you can buy just about anything.
- Expanded OG classes (Shaman can tank with support for this).
- Fast leveling, but deep difficulty curves. All of their dungeons have multiple difficulty levels (heroic, mythic+, Ascended).
  - Deep systems with Prestige, reforging, enchanted skills, etc etc etc.
- Less autistic than their Random Skill classless offering.

Nirgon · 2025-07-29T13:21:48-0400

TJT said:
Let the hate flow and the hypesters can fuck off so I can enjoy my nice quiet server. That sounds great actually!

The fact these guys never heard of "multi threaded" or it never dawned on them until now....

Presuming that post of him saying go get a "Master's degree" is true, how did he or they get one without.... oh boy...

Indian server? Even my "pals" at work woulda known this one.

TJT · 2025-07-29T13:24:15-0400

Just from what I have been reading it has to do with their use of TrinityCore over the emulation source that Turtle, Ascension, and other private servers use. There was a reason TC was not used despite whatever good features it has. Seems they lacked the understanding to know what its limitations were.

Nirgon · 2025-07-29T13:25:03-0400

Blessings upon them from Father Erud, this has at least been an educational experience for someone in a way

Sylas · 2025-07-29T13:33:38-0400

TJT said:
Epoch -> This one. Classic+ with new locations, dungeons, etc 25 man raids

No player shop (yet).

Turtle -> Classic+ that tries to maintain being true to classic specifically and does not include certain QOL things (Bloodlust only effects the Shaman for example) and tries to expand upon their interpretation of Classic classes and design. Trying to push them further.

I like Turtle a lot and have a 60 warlock and some lowbies on there I play from time to time. I've never really raided though.

Their class updates are cool. They have more custom dungeons and locations and raids. They are even making Wildhammer a faction and other cool stuff.

Expansive player shop offering QOL items like bag space and vendor pets.

Bronzebeard -> Part of the Ascension Ecosystem.

Expansive player shop you can buy just about anything.

Expanded OG classes (Shaman can tank with support for this).

Fast leveling, but deep difficulty curves. All of their dungeons have multiple difficulty levels (heroic, mythic+, Ascended).

Deep systems with Prestige, reforging, enchanted skills, etc etc etc.

Less autistic than their Random Skill classless offering.

This is a good summary but to simplify a bit:

Turtle is vanilla, based on 1.12 i believe. It's classic+ expanding on custom vanilla content

Epoch is based on 3.5 wotlk but it is tbc baseline (spells/talents/class mechanics/etc) and is also classic +. Not sure if they are going to follow with expansions or not tbh

Bronzebeard is 3.5 wotlk baseline is wotlk. It is currently vanilla in alpha but after launch it will release tbc and then wotlk. So its original classes/original trinity+ (vanilla/tbc/eotlk)

Chanur · 2025-07-29T13:51:11-0400

TJT said:
Compared to most of the private server crowd actually having a good job is a big deal. The majority are living on the dole. Turtle Wow 1.18 patch does look good btw.

I thought most EMU servers were unemployed losers. I know on P99 there was a ton of welfare no lifers and figured it was that way for everything.

Chanur · 2025-07-29T13:53:48-0400

Nirgon said:
The fact these guys never heard of "multi threaded" or it never dawned on them until now....

Presuming that post of him saying go get a "Master's degree" is true, how did he or they get one without.... oh boy...

Indian server? Even my "pals" at work woulda known this one.

They need Araysar invaluable expertise.

Nirgon · 2025-07-29T14:01:31-0400

Chanur said:
They need Araysar invaluable expertise.

Busted out laughing at my rather good lunch at Google HQ

TJT · 2025-07-29T14:03:09-0400

Chanur said:
I thought most EMU servers were unemployed losers. I know on P99 there was a ton of welfare no lifers and figured it was that way for everything.

I met people on Turtle who leveled characters to 60 with certain challenges just to get the equivalent of $20 in Turtle Tokens and bragged about getting it "for free." They would level a character get the tokens. Then extract all the gold they could and delete the char.

Emu people are something else man lol.

Kirun · 2025-07-29T14:05:12-0400

Chanur said:
I thought most EMU servers were unemployed losers. I know on P99 there was a ton of welfare no lifers and figured it was that way for everything.

Most people still playing MMOs are this. A ridiculous number of people can get on SSI nowadays for "anxiety" and all other kinds of bullshit "mental disorders". It's a long process but if you know the right things to say, it isn't that hard to get. My sister is one of these losers.

I know when I was playing Throne and Liberty pretty "competitively", we had around a little more than half of the guild who seemingly never logged off. And probably 25% of those were Canadian.

TJT · 2025-07-29T14:06:46-0400

Kirun said:
My sister is one of these losers.

Dang bro. My oldest and youngest sister are like this. The middle sister and I are the only successful ones who have maintained long term employment.

Nirgon · 2025-07-29T14:17:58-0400

Bernie Mac said it best "I ain't afraid to tell ya, cuz y'all's families be fucked up around here too"

Anyways, people are staring at some dudes git commits and it's looking like a total rewrite scenario. God bless their efforts, I'm flappin off.

Korzax Stonehammer · 2025-07-29T16:02:38-0400

Kirun · 2025-07-29T16:10:07-0400

If they don't get hardcore trolled in chat, I'll be severely disappointed with the community.

ronne · 2025-07-29T20:27:47-0400

So playable by September, maybe

Kaines · 2025-07-29T20:29:15-0400

ronne said:
So playable by September, maybe

That's probably a better guess than what the Devs are giving. "a few days" is just them trying to string people along. There is no chance in hell this doesn't take WEEKS to fix.