Reigniting Patriotism- A practical guide to helping others.

Gavinmad

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Yes the guy most involved in creation of a centralized banking system in the United States that now has us on the brink of financial ruin through fractional reserve banking. The original in the pocket of wall Street douchebag. Well played lol.

I think you just *whooshed* even worse than Lleauaric did. I'm actually kind of ashamed of you.
 

Titan_Atlas

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I think you just *whooshed* even worse than Lleauaric did. I'm actually kind of ashamed of you.

Though I will agree with you, his intentions in that quote really speak directly against people like LL not for them. Fractious is the word you missed LL, fractious.
 

Gavinmad

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Though I will agree with you, his intentions in that quote really speak directly against people like LL not for them. Fractious is the word you missed LL, fractious.

I'm really blown away here. He posted the goddamn quote correctly, the word is factious, not fractious. Factious, as in relating or inclined to a state of faction, not fractious, meaning irritable and quarrelsome. And shame on you for thinking that what Hamilton was trying to accomplish with the First Bank of the United States has anything in common with the state of the present day financial sector.
 

Titan_Atlas

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I'm really blown away here. He posted the goddamn quote correctly, the word is factious, not fractious. Factious, as in relating or inclined to a state of faction, not fractious, meaning irritable and quarrelsome. And shame on you for thinking that what Hamilton was trying to accomplish with the First Bank of the United States has anything in common with the state of the present day financial sector.
I was writing factious stupid phone auto correct. I was Bbqing at the same time sorry.

Figured that came through in my tone, since I believe multiculturalism is hugely dividing.
 

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Sign your kids up for this great tradition
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Make sure it's not run by fags first tho.
 
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Xeldar

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Yes the guy most involved in creation of a centralized banking system in the United States that now has us on the brink of financial ruin through fractional reserve banking. The original in the pocket of wall Street douchebag. Well played lol.

You betcha! I'm terrified of 0% real interest rates on 10 year treasury bills and disinflation!
 

Lleauaric

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No, what's spot on is that Alexander Hamilton was probably the most deeply nationalistic of all the Founding Fathers and you don't understand that quote isn't against patriotism.

No, I know. Hamilton was hardcore. You guys should read what I spoiled for length, it'll be like porn for you.

“The safety of a republic depends essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably be found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family.

The opinion advanced in the Notes on Virginia is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners. They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism? There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule. The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to change and corrupt the national spirit; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities. In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency.

The United States have already felt the evils of incorporating a large number of foreigners into their national mass; by promoting in different classes different predilections in favor of particular foreign nations, and antipathies against others, it has served very much to divide the community and to distract our councils. It has been often likely to compromit the interests of our own country in favor of another. The permanent effect of such a policy will be, that in times of great public danger there will be always a numerous body of men, of whom there may be just grounds of distrust; the suspicion alone will weaken the strength of the nation, but their force may be actually employed in assisting an invader. ….

To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens, the moment they put foot in our country, as recommended in the message, would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty.” (Hamilton 1851: 775–776).

My use of Hamilton's quote on nationalism was the calling out of the phony republican self interest posing as nationalism. Theirs is a nationalism that divides in pursuit of factious gain, the opportunity to label idelogical opponents as "un-American" Hamilton recognized that some people will pimp patriotism and nationalism to for the exact opposite, selfish gain. But Hamilton had a nationalism that avoided divisions, and sought to unite the people living in the country, even if it meant going against his own personal beliefs, such as the 3/5s Compromise.

So Im saying be wary of fake patriotism being whored out by some whose only really motivation is to take out grievances on countrymen they don't like.

Because he also said this, knowing people like Trump will appear...

On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.
 
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Gavinmad

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Yeah reading that got me to half mast. And I'll concede that you do in fact understand that quote now, but from the way you posted it as a follow-up to that Schopenhauer quote I'm not completely sure you understood it when you posted it.
 

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The pedo dads are helping with girl scouts.

The straight dads are helping with soccer and volleyball.

The straight teachers are helping with yearbook, band and any club that involves trips. Drama club can go either way.
 

Sylverlokk

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If the shoe fits. But don't bring your racist trash here. Patriotism doesn't need racism.

Thats true patriotism is more ignoring any problems with your country and pressuring those who disagree to Rah Rah Murikan Exceptionalism!
 

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patriotism is fine but i can't get behind being "proud to be an american", unless you served in the military or public office you didn't really do shit

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Titan_Atlas

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On the other hand, it will be equally forgotten that the vigor of government is essential to the security of liberty; that, in the contemplation of a sound and well-informed judgment, their interest can never be separated; and that a dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants.

For one, what you had spoilered relates to foreigners from other countries with Western philosophical values, so is incredibly invalid as an argument currently.

As for this quote in particular. The fact that you attribute this quality to Trump shows how dense you truly are. He is speaking about people who preach to the masses, which is the political equivalent of your beloved socialism, you populist twat.
 

Woolygimp

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Wanted to create a thread to dump conversations we've had with others outside of the forums. Ways we are trying to influence the outside world to be a better America. Valid and strong arguments against SJW's, PC, BLM, multiculturalism and the general destruction of American greatness.

I find myself personally just waiting for people to elicit my opinion then asking questions or making a blunt denial of their point. I have now told a couple people I reject your guilt. I am making a very strong effort to speak in a lower voice, smile and be polite to everyone. To lead by example but also not pussyfoot an issue to avoid a confrontation. How about you? What are you doing to MAGA?

As abhorrent as I find BLM and these other bullshit movements, I'm unconvinced that patriotism is any better. We're always trying to group into "tribes", whether it be small movements like BLM, or nations (patriotism), so that we can conflict against other groups and it's all so pointless. When are we going to wake up to the fact that we're one species, on one planet, and that we're all in this bullshit, that we like to call life, together.

Do we really need an enemy to find meaning in our lives?
 
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Titan_Atlas

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As abhorrent as I find BLM and these other bullshit movements, I'm unconvinced that patriotism is any better. We're always trying to group into "tribes", whether it be small movements like BLM, or nations (patriotism), so that we can conflict against other groups and it's all so pointless. When are we going to wake up to the fact that we're one species, on one planet, and that we're all in this bullshit, that we like to call life, together.

Do we really need an enemy to find meaning in our lives?

You mistake patriotism for seeking enemies. To believe that your country is just, equal, and free is not to make enemies of others. The desire to help other countries by providing an example of goodness, is not to make them your "enemy". You have been programmed to believe in the worst of our country, when you should be looking at all the greatness that it has achieved. Patriotism is to believe in the greatness of Western culture and to want it continued.
 

Woolygimp

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The world is dominated by "Western" culture. Nations tend to demonize other nations. There seems to be a direct correlation between how many Russians hate Americans, and the re-emergence of the Russian identity. The stronger people self-identity with their own nation, the less favorably they feel about others.

There's nothing wrong about unity, but stopping at national borders is insufficient. We need to realize that we're all on the same boat... We float or sink, together.
 

Titan_Atlas

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The world is dominated by "Western" culture. Nations tend to demonize other nations. There seems to be a direct correlation between how many Russians hate Americans, and the re-emergence of the Russian identity. The stronger people self-identity with their own nation, the less favorably they feel about others.

There's nothing wrong about unity, but stopping at national borders is insufficient. We need to realize that we're all on the same boat... We float or sink, together.

I have no problem with Russians being patriotic. I feel they could do more to live up to human rights within their borders. That though is a path that we can encourage through friendship.