Science!! Fucking magnets, how do they work?

Abefroman_sl said:

I feel like I'm part of a science experiment having to read these fucking derails. I have faith it will stop.

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Maybe you are.

Maybe we all are...

Abefroman_sl said:

/thread. That is a perfect way to put it.

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You mean /derail .... thread can still go on providing people with neat new sciency stuffs

Tuco_sl said:

I trust that whatever that says is coherent and true. I did not verify it, but it would be possible to do so.

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You assume that it would be possible, because of your faith in science.

For the record, I'm not saying that faith in science is exactly the same as faith in god, my only contention was that both require faith. You can definitely list more rational reasons for having faith in science than you can faith in god or religion and I couldn't be less interested in the semantic argument that has taken up several pages here. What it comes down to in my mind is that both groups have chosen to believe what was told to them by a group of people whom they have chosen to trust. One group may have more concrete reasons for trusting their group than the other, but it's not because they have seen the evidence.

I promise this is my last post on the topic.

Or you could replace the word "faith" with the word "high". Being high on drugs is same as being high up in a tree.

Its an axiomatic assumption, yes.

We call it a properly basic belief that the universe follows a set of rules, and that we can use observation and experimentation to test how the universe works in order to discern what those rules are.

This is why this debate really should be moved to the atheism vs theism thread, because it goes to the core of the debate between presuppositionalists and other apologeticists who argue that all reasoning is circular and that their reasoning is more valid because its circularity orbits around what they think God wants based on their reading of their holy texts, and the rationalists who state that we are forced to accept rational inquiry as the methodology of investigating the universe by pragmatic principles and that the results of that methodology verify its validity.

It isn't a science debate at that point, its a philosophy debate, and therefore is better suited to the atheism/theism thread.