Should you tip the waitress and how much thread

Agenor

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The strange thing, is invariably the places (read countries) where I had the best service were where it wasn't custom to tip. When no tip is expected the servers just act like professionals trying to do their job well (strangely, in those places the patrons are generally not bent on being assholes either). In tipping locales, you end up with servers often more concerned about kissing ass, making excuses and faking being my friend; it's not the rule, but fuck there's a lot of them. No shit, the current breed of servers are doing their job well strictly because they want a tip and not because they simply want to do their job well: it is that type of individuals the current north american system draw to those jobs. The landscape of the food industry would change a lot if we'd somehow move to a non tipping system.
What type of place are we talking here? 4 star place or a TGI Fridays? Are these people making a good living as servers over seas? I honestly don't know. I'm very curious how they can keep costs down. Sure a 4 star place your getting clientele that isn't as budget conscience, and will pay. But the TGI Friday crowd is not going to show up, and drop 50 bucks on that food. Liquor yes, not seeing them drop 15 bucks on the loaded potato skins.
 

dechire

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I spent 14 years working in the service industry (foh and kitchen staff), my tip is directly related to how much work or service you give me. If I sit through half the meal and I haven't seen you once and the expo dropped your food you get bare minimal if I'm feeling generous. If you give me outstanding service you get a tip directly related to that performance.
 

OneofOne

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Wait, so you're saying on a slow night servers should be paid less than minimum wage?
What the fuck crack are you smoking? I'm saying minimum wage laws should apply to ALL positions - any tips they get are extra on top - ditch the special exceptions. Get rid of this nonsense of "we only pay you $2.50/hour cause you make tips, but if you don't make enough in tips we'll make up the difference".
 

calhoonjugganaut

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I tip 20% even when the service is bad. I usually go to the same places so I see the same people quite often. I've tipped 100% a couple of times when I had the money to do so and the service was great, but it's not often that I'll do that. Usually I tip 30% and end up getting a couple of beers for free the next visit.
 

Draegan_sl

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What the fuck crack are you smoking? I'm saying minimum wage laws should apply to ALL positions - any tips they get are extra on top - ditch the special exceptions. Get rid of this nonsense of "we only pay you $2.50/hour cause you make tips, but if you don't make enough in tips we'll make up the difference".
I would never want someone making min wage serving me anything above fast food. Fuck that.
 

Replican_sl

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I would never want someone making min wage serving me anything above fast food. Fuck that.
Are you saying that you tip really well, or that restaurants should pay $10 per hour? Or all you eat is fast food? Nobody is suggesting waiters should only make minimum wage.
 

Malice_sl

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I think he means that workers should be paid proportionate to the quality of food they're serving. Some minimum wage kid who doesn't give a fuck shouldn't necessarily be serving a dinner that costs more than he makes in a night.
 

McCheese

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What type of place are we talking here? 4 star place or a TGI Fridays? Are these people making a good living as servers over seas? I honestly don't know. I'm very curious how they can keep costs down. Sure a 4 star place your getting clientele that isn't as budget conscience, and will pay. But the TGI Friday crowd is not going to show up, and drop 50 bucks on that food. Liquor yes, not seeing them drop 15 bucks on the loaded potato skins.
In the places I've been overseas which don't believe in tipping the service was always fine. Actually, I consider it better than in the USA because I hate when servers talk to me and do all the shit that Lejina mentioned. That said, being a server isn't nearly as lucrative a profession as it is in the States (talking about casual dining places like TGI Fridays, not upscale stuff). Whereas in the States being a server is quite a bit better than working fast food, overseas it's pretty much the same as flipping burgers.

To put it in perspective, in the USA it's very possible to pay for rent, insurance, car, etc. by working full time at a restaurant. Overseas there is no way anyone is going to support themselves solely on the money they make at a casual dining restaurant. Most of the people I knew/saw in those kinds of restaurants overseas were college kids going to state funded schools (i.e free), living at home, who just wanted some extra spending cash.

Most of my experience is with Russia and Kazakhstan, so things may be different in Europe and Asia.

*edit* As to your question about cost savings, I think one thing that helps is that there are FAR fewer servers in many overseas restaurants. When you're not concerned about chatting and becoming friends with your customers and not worrying about free refills on drinks (most places I've been overseas don't offer this, and honestly as a server this is the biggest fucking thing that'll get you in the weeds), it is WAY easier to handle a lot more tables. So that's one possibility for keeping costs down.
 

LadyVex_sl

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I've only worked at high end restaurants; since I was a culinary student with hospitality management background, I pleaded my case and got in. (I won't lie, I'm sure tits and stilettos had something to do with it.)

That said, to the person who talked about low end restaurants, it doesn't JUST happen there. I don't know about the experiences at IHOP or whatever, but I find it's usually more rampant (from convos) in high end than low end. Most high end restaurants tend to not be chains, so if the food is good, with good wine lists, and personalized service, even if you have a shit waiter people are still going to come. With the chains, you know the food is relatively sub-par, but you balance that with better service. (IMO, that's not how it should be but often how it was.)

The whole system of wait staff is relatively fucked - your servers will tell you it's a huge issue to only be making 2-3 dollars an hour + small tips on a slow night. That happened. But it was offset by the fact on a regular night, especially one with parties etc, you were EASILY going to pull in somewhere around the $700 dollar range. Per server. When you have a sommelier running around with wine lists whose prices start going into the several k range (My entire time there I was waiting for someone to buy our most expensive bottle of white, dude walks in waving around $100s to everyone, THEN went back and tipped the cooks because he wanted us to stay open late, dude even bought me a cab ride home since I had waved my ride home away earlier...he bought that bottle...10k bottle of wine with a large party, so instant 18% gratuity for one server? Yea, fuck servers.) you know that by and large, even if you make shit all one night, you can make bank another night, having it come out relatively even.

Most servers don't live like that though; they live paycheck to paycheck, so when you might make 800 dollars a night, that's gone just as fast as 200, and what's more, when it's only 200, you're short.

If you haven't waited or been around the staff, it's easy to say they should get paid more, or that if we put them on minimum wage we'd get better service. We've done it like this for so long that it would be stupid hard to change.

I'm probably more bitter than most, because I had degrees in culinary arts and hospitality management, and when I was cooking etc, got paid way less than our POS servers, and I'd spent 70k on my education. That's the industry though. Breaking in to become a chef is one of the most ruthless things you can do, and we had servers who had dropped out of high school who simply learned to say "pinot noir" without fucking it up rifling 100s off.

ANYWAYS...

As far as tipping, the best tippers tended to be husbands with wives (Which is interesting, I think it's sort of the las vegas effect, where men bet more with their wives around? I know when my dad tipped a server heavily, if it was a chick my mother frothed at the mouth.), people from out of town (We had a group of australians who used to come in once a mouth that I always made time for - dudes tipped retardedly well, and were a great group of guys on top of it) or gatherings of older people. We obviously had the "high rollers" who tipped really well - we waited on the Pittsburgh Penguins one night, and EVERYONE made bank, including the bus boys.

The worst tippers were "older" girl gatherings. I recall vividly getting a woman banned from our restaurant. She grabbed my arm as I was walking by (We were super busy, but this is not something you ever say, you pretend every guest/table are the only people in the restaurant) and said "Why don't you go call us a cab?" No please, no "Could you do me a favor?"

I told her Absolutely I could, but it would be a few minutes before I was near a phone, and then it would be a minimum of 20 minutes besides, if that was ok. I politely suggested that if that wait was too long, she could walk about 5 steps outside of the restaurant where cabs swung by every 5 minutes because there were so many bars/restaurants/hotels in the area.

She gave me a look that asked if I was stupid, and I smiled, asked her where she needed to go and told her I'd call her a cab ASAP.

I get back to the desk about 3 minutes later, and I'M LITERALLY ON THE PHONE WITH THE CAB COMPANY when she walks up, looks out the door and says, so where's our cab?

I'm dumbfounded at this point. I tell her I'm on the phone with the company now, (I don't mention I had told her that it would be a 20 minute wait to begin with and I still have 17 more minutes) so I say, it's on it's way, but if you're in a hurry, there's still those cabs I mentioned.

She gives me another look, and says, "You know, the customer is always right. You said you would do something, and I expected you to do it. It's not hard."

My manager comes over and looks at the women and says, "Common decency isn't hard either. Think about that while you find another restaurant to eat at, because you're no longer welcome here."

I hated older bitches who came in without their husbands to keep them on a leash.

Disclaimer: Might just be Pittsburgh.
 

kegkilla

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that story was really boring.
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Tea_sl

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That's the best part about being a bartender. Telling shitty people to get the fuck out of your bar. Well that and the retarded pay.
 

Conefed

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I was a server for years. It was like stripping. The money was retarded good and kept you in. You worked your ass off and earned every penny.
Yet at the end of the exhausting shift, you realized how few hours you actually worked. It was tough to hold onto that money when it flowed so abundantly.
I've been there. The working environment is high paced and frantic and at times downright tough (assuming we're aiming for flawless victory). The reward is very much in tune to effort. With that said, just about every other job isn't like that.
I tipped high when I was a server and for years afterwards. But now? I'm tired of paying the high markup for restaurant food and then add a meal's price to my ticket to pay for a server. I shouldn't be subsidizing the restaurant. They're making bank. I've been there and got disgusted by it and eventually got out.
I rarely go to restaurants because of tipping.

and on a side note Fuck tipping at buffet's. I'm getting up to get my food. Give me that glass and I'll fill that up too; I can see the damn fountain machine; it's on the way to my table anyway.
 

LadyVex_sl

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Yea, it's interesting that as much as I dislike the industry, I still tip high (20% for even average service) mostly to avoid the social stigma of being "That shitty tipper".

And that's terrible, because instead of it being a value for service, it's just "required" socially, so unless they're really bad and I'm trying to make a statement, you'll get something.
 

kegkilla

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Yea, it's interesting that as much as I dislike the industry, I still tip high (20% for even average service) mostly to avoid the social stigma of being "That shitty tipper".

And that's terrible, because instead of it being a value for service, it's just "required" socially, so unless they're really bad and I'm trying to make a statement, you'll get something.
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