Should you tip the waitress and how much thread

chaos_sl said:

Yeah but you didn't say "hey serving is more difficult than people think," instead you went full retard with the line about it being one of the most demanding jobs in existence.

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I'll acquiesce "moderate retard" and call it a night.

Wears on your soul? get a fucking grip dude. You worked a summer of manual labor, then you probably know there are people who do that shitevery fucking day. There are men in their 50s who can't completely close their hands from arthritis still working pulling rebar or laying tile or some shit. Men who work oil rigs into their 70s. You served fucking food and did tier 1 customer support. Fucking white people problems.

Whatever you say chief. They knew they were getting paid.

Who knows, maybe in twenty years I won't give a shit about any of this anymore.

So do waiters.

I'm out.

Hamsteroceros_sl said:

You didn't have to be nice to them so you wouldn't be fired.

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It's this kinda stupid shit that just bottles my mind. ANY damn job where you are interacting with the public this is a requirement. You think if I started treating my clients like shit, even the mouthbreathers that remind me of Merlin, I wouldn't be out of a job in 3 seconds flat? Servers are not special snowflakes.

You worked shitty jobs and knew you'd be taking home x-amount of money. Servers don't. That shit wears on your soul.

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Yes they absolutely know the minimum amount they are taking home. People live on minimum wage all across the country, again, why are servers special? They aren't. At least they have the prospect of making more (and let's be real, ALWAYS do). Regardless, if that shit "wears on your soul" (rofl) why the fuck do I care? GET ANOTHER JOB ASSHOLE. What a self-entitled prick you are lol

Not sure where you guys live, but you sure as shit won't be living here on minimum wage.

OneofOne_sl said:

It's this kinda stupid shit that just bottles my mind. ANY damn job where you are interacting with the public this is a requirement. You think if I started treating my clients like shit, even the mouthbreathers that remind me of Merlin, I wouldn't be out of a job in 3 seconds flat? Servers are not special snowflakes.



Yes they absolutely know the minimum amount they are taking home. People live on minimum wage all across the country, again, why are servers special? They aren't. At least they have the prospect of making more (and let's be real, ALWAYS do). Regardless, if that shit "wears on your soul" (rofl) why the fuck do I care? GET ANOTHER JOB ASSHOLE. What a self-entitled prick you are lol

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I can't even begin to comprehend the rationale.

I heard the same exact thing from my buddy "Man, you don't know the stress of not knowing your paycheck"... What stress? You know your paycheck is going to be at least minimum wage. What are all the servers out there trying to decide? If they can afford that new house and $500.00 car payment after having a few good nights worth of tips? I just don't get it. My buddy who works at Walmart doesn't stress. He knows he's going to make jack shit and barley edge by. Once again welcome to working an unskilled job. Waiters are the ONLY position left on the bottom rung that pays over minimum wage, so for them to act as if they can just "find something better" is fucking ludicrous.

Hamsteroceros_sl said:

Tipping waiters is older than your parents (so make sure you have a climate-controlled storage locker to put all your shit in for me).

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I just wanted to get in a direct response to this. Do you really think that a century ago people envisioned America having no manufacturing jobs? Do you think they saw Walmart, Target, and the likes coming down the pipe bypassing the unions and paying the public minimum wage? Do you honestly believe the people that were in those positions thought that could EVER happen? Of course they didn't, but look what fucking happened. Maybe it isn't as certain as I'd like to make it out to be, but the day will come when tipping dies. Just as previous posters have mentioned, many countries do not require tips to get good/decent service. To say that we are somehow going to end up with special needs waiters is fucking bullshit. I guarantee you that as soon as one of your waiter buddies is out that door due to lower wages someone is jumping to fill their spot.

Agenor_sl said:

Not sure where you guys live, but you sure as shit won't be living here on minimum wage.

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That is an entirely different discussion. No where in the waiters handbook does it say "entitled to a decent standard of living." Personally I think everyone should have a decent standard, but for them to act like special snowflakes is a bit ridiculous.

Right, except the guy above my post said people all over the country are making a living on min wage, which is what I responded to.

Trollface_sl said:

everyone should just stop paying tips and solution will appear eventually.

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The solution would either be, higher food costs, or self serve restaurants. I imagine high end restaurants and some mid/high end chain restaurants would force grat on customers regardless of size, but that ties into higher food cost.

Also, Ortega is full of shit, I mean Jesus folks, no one is going to call him on his shit, really?

$100 a night working old country Buffett, ffs I don't even...

$200 a night working red fucking lobster? A low ball seafood Dardin restaurant? Hey Ortega, be a cheap fuck, don't really care, but don't insult our intelligence by lieing to prove why you are not a cheap fuck. Just wear it bro, be proud, hell you already admit to dating a waitress at old country Buffett, that is white trash alert right there. Kinda ties into the theme of your posts.

Also, I have worked a lot of jobs, military, concession stands, bagger, car salesman, busser, waiter, desktop support, it manager, to now it director. Busser was the worst, waiter was second. I would only work in the food industry if I was desperate for a job.

Worked at Red Lobster in the early 90's Some servers were pulling 200 a night on the weekends. 100-125 was the norm on weekends for a good server. I dont agree with most of what that dude says, but that part is true.

Agenor_sl said:

Right, except the guy above my post said people all over the country are making a living on min wage, which is what I responded to.

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I live in one of the most expensive areas of the nation, and people live here on minimum wage. Lots of people. You and I may not understand how they live, but that is because we are spoiled. People do it.

Ortega wasn't using common sense. If your buddy is bragging about a $200 dollar night, that's not what he takes home on average.

Yeah it really depends on where you work. Even in the aforementioned ghetto area where I worked I was able to pull in $150ish for an 8 - 9 hour shift. Sometimes more if I were lucky and got sat mostly white folk in my section.

Agenor_sl said:

Worked at Red Lobster in the early 90's Some servers were pulling 200 a night on the weekends. 100-125 was the norm on weekends for a good server. I dont agree with most of what that dude says, but that part is true.

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Sorry bro, in Texas, a good night at the lobster is a 100 to 125, that is sat. and fri. night. Rest of the week nights you are pulling 60 to 80 normally on a decent night. PPA at red lobster is not high enough to pull a 100 a night consistently.

Dis_sl said:

The solution would either be, higher food costs, or self serve restaurants. I imagine high end restaurants and some mid/high end chain restaurants would force grat on customers regardless of size, but that ties into higher food cost.

Also, Ortega is full of shit, I mean Jesus folks, no one is going to call him on his shit, really?

$100 a night working old country Buffett, ffs I don't even...

$200 a night working red fucking lobster? A low ball seafood Dardin restaurant? Hey Ortega, be a cheap fuck, don't really care, but don't insult our intelligence by lieing to prove why you are not a cheap fuck. Just wear it bro, be proud, hell you already admit to dating a waitress at old country Buffett, that is white trash alert right there. Kinda ties into the theme of your posts.

Also, I have worked a lot of jobs, military, concession stands, bagger, car salesman, busser, waiter, desktop support, it manager, to now it director. Busser was the worst, waiter was second. I would only work in the food industry if I was desperate for a job.

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LOL! Well my girlfriend (who is bengali & 20 years old) went to work at 3:30PM. It probably helps that she is extremely cute (especially for a shit hole like Old Country), but I will give you an update on her tips for the night. It's generally around $40-80 on a weekday, and $100 plus on weekends (this is just tips mind you, not adding in the $9.19 an hour). I will make sure to relay to her that she should return to Texas Roadhouse as a hostess so as not to be white trashy even though it's 1/6 the money, or maybe she can put that CNA license into use for a piddly $10.00 an hour wiping old asses and cleaning up after them. As for my friend I have no way to validate what he said, but why someone would fabricate such information is beyond me. He was a bartendar if that helps solidfy the earnings.

Thread really isn't about skipping the shit jobs so that you can be elite, it's about the attitude servers have with regards to what they think they're worth/entitled to...

The Ancient_sl said:

Ortega wasn't using common sense. If your buddy is bragging about a $200 dollar night, that's not what he takes home on average.

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Obviously dude, but I wager his take home earnings on average were double or triple that of your normal minimum wage slug. If my girlfriend can pull in over $650 a week consistently with the outlier being $990.00 then I'd say it's pretty dam likely he was doing better than that.

Ortega_sl said:

LOL! Well my girlfriend (who is bengali & 20 years old) went to work at 3:30PM. It probably helps that she is extremely cute (especially for a shit hole like Old Country), but I will give you an update on her tips for the night. It's generally around $40-80 on a weekday, and $100 plus on weekends (this is just tips mind you, not adding in the $9.19 an hour). I will make sure to relay to her that she should return to Texas Roadhouse as a hostess so as not to be white trashy even though it's 1/6 the money, or maybe she can put that CNA license into use for a piddly $10.00 an hour wiping old asses and cleaning up after them.

As for my friend I have no way to validate what he said, but why someone would fabricate such information is beyond me. He was a bartendar if that helps solidfy the earnings.

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A friend exaggerating how much he earns, never happens! Your friend is full of shit, do the math bro. Second, Texas Roadhouse is a step up from old country Buffett...

As far as typical earnings go, I know half a dozen guys who bartend at a local chain resto-pub (Hudson's), and they make pretty damn good money. 40-60k a year between wage and tips, for working around 30-40 hours a week. The waitresses make similar if they work those hours, but most are more part time. On a good Friday night the bartenders can pull $300-500 in tips alone.

I would imagine working at Denny's or ABC Country Kitchen or other awful chains like that, that it would be significantly less. My current girlfriend works at another chain, sort of an asian family restaurant, and from what I gather her average tip out is $50-100 for a shift that includes dinner. She gets stuck shift leading frequently though, in which case she gets an extra buck or two an hour in return for not getting a cent in tips, which strikes me as being somewhat fucked.

Hamsteroceros_sl said:

The point of the stupidest shit you've ever read is this: your pay wasn't dependent on how the shingles and rocks felt about you. You didn't have to be nice to them so you wouldn't be fired. You worked shitty jobs and knew you'd be taking home x-amount of money. Servers don't. That shit wears on your soul. Serving is more physical than people seem to realize, too, so it all adds up to a uniquely shitty job. That's all I was saying.

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And what you're saying still stands as bullshit. When roofing, some days might be ungodly hot, or completely fucking miserable. The roofer's pay doesn't vary according to how hard or easy his day is. It remains the same no matter what, assuming he gets to work at all that day. The same is true of every other form of employment: some days/shifts are better or worse than others. Some days you can coast, some days you have to bust your ass. Generally, outside of commission type employment, the pay remains the same.

Should servers be paid minimum wage? Better than minimum wage? Leave that to the marketplace to decide, and don't expect customers to subsidize their wage is my opinion on it. Like how it works everywhere outside of North America, for the most part. I'm fine with serving/bartending being considered a decent profession and them receiving fair wages, but that cost should be borne by the business (and passed to the customer through higher prices if necessary).

The current system is completely fucked. We haven't even talked about the MASSIVE tax evasion that tipping represents.

Hamsteroceros_sl said:

I'm out.

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Fucking pussy.

Dis_sl said:

Sorry bro, in Texas, a good night at the lobster is a 100 to 125, that is sat. and fri. night. Rest of the week nights you are pulling 60 to 80 normally on a decent night. PPA at red lobster is not high enough to pull a 100 a night consistently.

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I guess it comes down to locations. The store I worked at was surrounded by nice neighborhoods. And not that it should make any difference, but when I worked there it was owned by General Mills. I've literally not dined in one since I left in 1994. Curious how much Darden changed things. Christ though those numbers in Texas seem really low. Everyone out at the good steak joints id imagine.