Will you be on the stream today? I'm hoping it goes well and our questions get some answers. Seen tons of questions and concerns on official forums.
SOE Becomes Daybreak / Russian shutdown
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If anything, appreciate the quick reply. No Rush at all.
P.S. Tell them to start doing guide events on Fippy, thanks
P.S. Tell them to start doing guide events on Fippy, thanks
Miele
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You can get a full suite of orange gear by level 20-25 if you run a couple flashpoints. If you are not picky and just want a place where to stuff mods, social gear is available as well. World mobs are still around last I checked and they still drop some stuff. Of course having a cosmetic based cartel market makes it so that the cool looking stuff is sold there. Something has to pay the bills. At least it's not a pay2win game.
Miele
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I'll bite.
It's the best compared to all the others I played (not the best in the world? I wouldn't know), because you can play the solo game to follow the class storyline (probably the best aspect of the whole game for many) without spending anything at all. There are some locked things that can be obtained by a single 5$ purchase (hotbars included), because you become a premium member with any single purchase. You get sprint at level 10 (or 20?) instead of level 1 when f2p, which is annoying, but it doesn't prevent you from playing. You have everything limited, but again, you are paying exactly nothing.
I'm not sure why free to play means "I'm entitled to have everything and pay exactly fuck all". A new game costs 60 fucking bucks, a dated one if it's decent costs about half on Steam and similar retailers. Most of these games provide 10 to 50 hours of gameplay, an MMO provides usually hundreds of hours (we can debate on quality till we're blue in the face) and for many players it's not even worth paying 5$?
WoW is a sub only game, so its cash shop is not really a comparable metric for f2p games, but in my limited experience of f2p, neverwinter was a fucking disaster, lotro is beyond the realm of ridicolous (they sell quest packs, for fuck's sake) and the rest of mmos I played were usually b2p. I'm not sure if I missed some amazing f2p title. I tend to gravitate towards games where my friends play as well, so I don't explore the whole f2p galaxy.
Swtor for me it's actually b2p, similar to gw2 or tsw, I can fork some money and then play. So yes, unless someone is super casual and plays only solo/duo, f2p swtor is very limiting.
Also true: I like swtor a lot, I don't think I'm on a schill level, but yeah, I can point out why it's good and I probably do it too often. I could also point out why and where it's bad, but it'd be my opinion and you know what they say about opinions. The reality is that I'm a sucker for lightsabers and autocannons.
I gave up looking for the perfect game and this f2p model makes me play a lot more titles that normally I wouldn't touch with a 10 ft pole. If they end up being fun, I usually spend a few euros on them, both for personal convenience and for supporting the game. For example, I believe Wildstar would benefit from this, I would load it up again, eventually pay some money for some shit, as it is now, I won't even keep it on my hard drive. TESO was immediately a "no way" purchase, etc.
Ukerric
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There's four levels of cash shops:
- F2P: Nothing you pay affect your gameplay (Free to Play)
- P2S: Nothing you buy can't be obtained by non-paying characters, you just get it faster (Pay to Shortcut)
- P2W: What you buy can't be obtained by non-paying characters (Pay to Win)
- P2P: Not only that, but what you buy is required to actually play part of the game (Pay to Play)
Most of what we feel is ok is level 1 or 2. Asian games are usually level 3, if not 4. Feel free to place your favorite games on that scale. You actually can split that on two axes, one for performance (combat), one for convenience (UI/inventory/utility).
Hmmm, I should put a summary of that somewhere, actually.
In the early 90s with Compuserve, AOL, and TSN we paid hourly gaming fees. When the industry moved to a monthly sub it was great, but it was reflective of the marketplace, and things simplifying.
I think the subscription model sucks, but the cash shop one really is horrible in every manner. I despise the Zynga/Mobile market that wants you to pay to play a static game. I'm a fan of paying for content. I actually like the idea of buying content packs or expansions. I think the season pass idea is also a good one.
Unfortunately, cash shops aren't going away any more than WOW's sub model is despite the fact both are pure profit and make no sense for consumers due to the fact people use and pay for them. I have a similar gripe about Xbox Live and now PSN Plus, and paying to use multiplayer on your own internet connection.
The amusing thing is I detested Steam early on due to their DRM, but as of now they are my favorite service and my preferred gaming portal, as they support Indys and are not there to just fleece consumers a la Xbox Live or cash shops. It'll be interesting how things move forward with the mobile industry taking over and cash shops the flavor of the decade.
I think the subscription model sucks, but the cash shop one really is horrible in every manner. I despise the Zynga/Mobile market that wants you to pay to play a static game. I'm a fan of paying for content. I actually like the idea of buying content packs or expansions. I think the season pass idea is also a good one.
Unfortunately, cash shops aren't going away any more than WOW's sub model is despite the fact both are pure profit and make no sense for consumers due to the fact people use and pay for them. I have a similar gripe about Xbox Live and now PSN Plus, and paying to use multiplayer on your own internet connection.
The amusing thing is I detested Steam early on due to their DRM, but as of now they are my favorite service and my preferred gaming portal, as they support Indys and are not there to just fleece consumers a la Xbox Live or cash shops. It'll be interesting how things move forward with the mobile industry taking over and cash shops the flavor of the decade.
Riot Games mixer with Daybreak/SOE- Eventbrite
Riot is holding a SOE Mixer for all laid off Daybreak employees.
Who wants to see Georgeson over at LoL?
Riot is holding a SOE Mixer for all laid off Daybreak employees.
Who wants to see Georgeson over at LoL?
Xaxius
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But isn't that quote really the point? In the last five years, the market has introduced a multitude of models to support the multitude of needs/desires of the marketplace. Some of these models have actually saved games that people on these forums seem to cherish (SWTOR, EQ, Secret World, etc). There really isn't a wrong way, regardless of what you may like. If the market doesn't accept your "model", you adjust or flounder. That's Business 101 and the only way EA was able to save SWTOR, for instance. As an old director of mine used to say, "Skate to where the puck is at."
Sure, I prefer a subscription model, but it doesn't make me any more "right" than the person who prefers B2P or F2P. It's helped to expand the reach of MMOs to people who wouldn't have considered them in the past due to a prohibitive model. That expansion results is more money and capital flooding into the industry to develop more MMOs which is a good thing. The real problem for the umpteenth time, is that there are so many games out there that are complete and total crap. Unfortunately, a lot of those, are categorized as F2P which is why there is such a negative connotation toward that specific model.
zzeris
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Great post Xaxius. Many crappy F2P games are just made to 'get in on the free money'. Another reason there are so many crappy games is because everyone is keeping most of the same old crap and just adding a few bells and whistles. All the easy stuff like levels, static mobs, quests, and even trinity combat haven't been extensively changed up for most titles. Blizzard does it better and they have had issues because these systems are not optimal and bring out massive deja vu burnout.
People may slam Daybreak for trying something that was too far off original EQ but that market is saturated. At a time when there are so many options, is it really that surprising people aren't trying to redo a game that succeeded mainly because it supplied a niche(3-D) in a limited market? Its unique features were mainly caused by programming errors, failures to launch product in a timely fashion, and other issues better developers don't ever want to do?
People may slam Daybreak for trying something that was too far off original EQ but that market is saturated. At a time when there are so many options, is it really that surprising people aren't trying to redo a game that succeeded mainly because it supplied a niche(3-D) in a limited market? Its unique features were mainly caused by programming errors, failures to launch product in a timely fashion, and other issues better developers don't ever want to do?
Muligan
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I was planning on attending the EQ2 Twitch Q&A today. Not sure why but I guess I have some weird soft spot in my heart for the game. I also want to support Holly in whatever small way I end up doing so. I'll never subscribe to EQ or EQII again unless they either restore EQI to some state of visible classic (which i'm sure will never happen) or they fix EQII's ability bloating.
It's a perfect time to have a MMO on tap as we really have nothing that's a homerun unless something is specifically your flavor.
Ability bloat is real. Whats funny is that a lot of eq2 players call it "skill" having 8 hotbars and clicking anything that is up
moontayle
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I enjoyed EQ2, never really considered it an EQ game (if they had just called it Shattered Lands I think it might have done better) but yeah, the ability bloat was bad. I also think they moved way too fast on the initial few expansions. Barely had time to consume one before the next one came out. I did like their crafting system though, probably one of the more engaging from a gameplay standpoint, at least once they made the initial improvement.
tad10
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I think we've long established that the MMORPG market is saturated with crap fantasy games which is a far cry from being saturated with games, and, if you really want to split bamboo shoots, has little to do with whether or not the market is saturated with EQ IP games anyway, as we have also established that IP can trump craptasticness (SWTOR, EQ2).
I remember we used a mercenary instead of your paladin to tank for like the first 3k aa, haha. That makes it pretty damn hard to get rolling as a casual f2p player when peoples pocket-bots are more effective than the f2p players. Did they ever add item unlockers and aug options?
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Free get 250 max aa, mercs to App-t2.
Silver (no idea how to make free accounts now silver) 1k max aa, mercs app-t5.
Siddar
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Silver is gone now I think. You just subscribe for a single month and auto grant will give you all AA up to level 90. So if your level 90+ $14.99 gives you 6kish free AA and 30 days to gain more before ability to gain new AA ends with subscription. Once subscription ends you can't gain new AA but you keep the ones you already have.
Muligan
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Don't you just come out better getting All Access? $12.99 monthly (with 3 month sub) is what I keep and you pretty well get everything for all games. Been awhile since I looked at it but it seemed like a good deal at the time. I kept it just incase it provided some perks for Landmark, H1Z1, and Next.
bixxby
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