I'm serious guys. I didn't link that book to just show an air of sophistication or learnedness. It's 8 bucks on Kindle and ~150 pages. It's avery easyread and the first dose of a red pill prescription.
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I'm not reading whatever bullshit you post to try and justify your shitty life/aspergers/whatever else is wrong with you. If you want to die rather than live because talking to people is hard, there is something wrong with you, period. Not in the generalized way I was talking earlier in this thread, but in a clinical way. You need help. And more importantly, you need to not try and counsel people. Dudes like Leadsalad and Koushirou, they need fucking medical help. They don't need your sad shutin ass trying to tell them the world is the problem, not them. No, they have a problem.
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Dumar, there's a sort of law which is called Hanlon's Razor but was originally conceptualized by Robert Heinlein which is stated thusly
My good friend Richel runs a rollerderby league. Oh man she loves it. Its literally all she cares about, talks about, its all she's involved in, she spends inordinate amounts of money going to rollerderby games all over the country, competing in them, etc. She begs my wife and I to attend some of their games but we never do, because we just aren't sports people, especially not team sports people.
Should my friend Richel kill herself because we aren't gung ho about her bullshit as much as she is? Of course not. Yet that's what you're essentially arguing, that your life is meaningless because others don't want to talk about Marxist dialectic with you. You gotta go where the people that are into the shit you're into go, not expect others who aren't into that shit to change their attitudes and lives to fit your conception of what the world should be like.
You said something like "They don't care about what's really important and that's depressing".
Seriously bro, who are you, or anyone, to define what's important to anyone else? I'm not saying that to be a dick or facetious, I'm saying it because you need to seriously ask yourself that question.
Going up to a crowd of people, even friends, and trying to discuss the intricacies of Marxist dialectic and expecting enthusiasm when you're not an active member of a student socialist committee or Code Pink is having expectations which are too high.
My good friend Richel runs a rollerderby league. Oh man she loves it. Its literally all she cares about, talks about, its all she's involved in, she spends inordinate amounts of money going to rollerderby games all over the country, competing in them, etc. She begs my wife and I to attend some of their games but we never do, because we just aren't sports people, especially not team sports people.
Should my friend Richel kill herself because we aren't gung ho about her bullshit as much as she is? Of course not. Yet that's what you're essentially arguing, that your life is meaningless because others don't want to talk about Marxist dialectic with you. You gotta go where the people that are into the shit you're into go, not expect others who aren't into that shit to change their attitudes and lives to fit your conception of what the world should be like.
You said something like "They don't care about what's really important and that's depressing".
Seriously bro, who are you, or anyone, to define what's important to anyone else? I'm not saying that to be a dick or facetious, I'm saying it because you need to seriously ask yourself that question.
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I've read too many history books to not realize the world has always been irrational, absurd, and random (cruel). It's not unique to modern life.
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Dude, if any of you ever do become hobos, travel to Lexington, we treat our hobos pretty decently. The Hope Center will give you three hots and a cot pretty much any time, and we even put up signs that say "Support the homeless" that's how much we care.
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So you try and show that people should just commit suicide based on a Macophile not believing in your completely discredited political theories?
I have a much better justification for why people should just kill themselves. That pieces of shit like you are taking up their oxygen.
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Certainly more valid and meaningful than doing it because someone at Starbucks doesn't believe in Marxism.
However, I'd do it for the dolphins. Fuck whales.
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Good call.
http://www.savethemanatee.org/
If in 14 days a random person in Starbucks doesn't describe to me why Manatees are awesome, I am killing myself.
http://www.savethemanatee.org/
If in 14 days a random person in Starbucks doesn't describe to me why Manatees are awesome, I am killing myself.
I just used dialectics as an example, one of literally bazillions. It's not that a group of friends isn't interested in talking about dialectics, it's that most people are not interested in anything that has a very real impact on their thought. A consequence of this, is that if you ask them why, they'll often respond that they have no control or that it's so far removed from their everyday reality that they don't care.
Now, the question ofwhythey feel this way is a very interesting one.
Our modern culture has built up this spectacle, of media, ways and how to communicate, patterns of thought, norms of behavior, and it's inside this discretely defined spectacle that we're supposed to involve our lives. We're supposed to see the latest movie with our significant other on Saturday; watch the Patriots with our bros on Sunday; we're supposed to grill out and drink it up on Monday for Labor Day; we're supposed to talk about Obama and Syria with our coworkers on Tuesday, like we actually have real feelings about seeing children in another world getting chemicals dumped on them. Society even accommodates the fringe in this spectacle with different identifiable subgroups, such as hipsters, rednecks, or the business elites. All of them have a distinct narrative that form their habits of thought inside the spectacle: reinforced by their respective peers and media how to think, behave, and associate.
Do you wonder what the function of that movie or Patriots game truly is - that is,whyit is so popular. And what would happen if movies or the NFL were no longer available for people to consume. Do you ever wonder about where our definitions of feelings come from, feelings many think are genuine, of the function of money and its penetration into every aspect of life, such as that 'genuine' feeling of love?
People never truly feel anything or live their life themselves. It's manufactured for them. They experience their life via proxy, manufactured by movies, sports, or religion. And if you try to really feel, really experience something that isn't manufactured, that's when you begin to understand how utterly shallow, insane, and ridiculous modern society actually is. The book I recommended is introductory analyses of the above, and this kind of analyses are what most people areveryuncomfortable talking about.
Dialectics only touches the surface. Most of my favorite authors have either committed suicide or died in solitude. Nothing was wrong with their brains - they didn't "have problems talking to people". They saw too much truth, and didn'twantto talk to people for the same reason I don't want to talk to them. People aren't actually stupid; it's that they willingly choose the illusions and don't seek truth of any kind in zombifying fashion.
If you're strong enough to see the world as it is, if you seek that level of perspective, youwill bedepressed and probably alienated because society is not objectively mentally healthy for the individual. This isn't a bad thing. It's healthy for you to understand truth, but it's not conducive to happiness in your life, since that usually comes with association with others. And closing on that note:
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I'm sorry, I just can't take it any more.
Fanaskin, please just put a slight modicum of effort into listening to my next words, please.... I promise I won't insult or mock you in any way... I won't judge you or try to make you feel inferior, I just want to explain something:
WERE (no "h"): The past tense of "to be" when used for "you", "they" or "we". "Wewerehaving a good time when it started to rain." 'Whatwereyou doing when the power went out?" "Youwereborn with rational thought..."
WHERE (with an "h"): Basically talking about a location, a place. "Wheredid you go last night?" "That'swhereI went on my birthday!" "I don't knowwhereyou were brought up..."
If you're going to use an "h", it means you're talking about place or location. If you don't use an "h", you're using the past tense of "to be" for certain persons. Just... just think about it... justa little bit... if you put eventhe slightest effortI promise you you will never make this error again and nobody will assume you're an idiot based on your grammar (the content, on the other hand, I take no responsibility for). Please, dude.Please. Just try.Fucking pretty please.
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I gotta admit, just a couple of days ago I was wondering "What is life full with?", and after some pondering I came to the conclusion "Life is full with perks". So I can't really hold anything against someone who understands what life is full with on such a fundamental level. Good on you, Fana.
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Culture exists as a result of humans interacting. Lamenting culture existing because it creates highways of life and social interactions upon which we travel is your perogative, just don't go throwing yourself off bridges when we don't decide to go along with that world view. Anthropological and sociological fields exist in which to study and understand why our, and other cultures, perform and function the way they do, but your conclusion that they exist solely as sort of (I'm going to put some words in your mouth here please forgive me) shackles and chains with which we are all restrained from our true natures is, again, your perogative to have as a world view. Just don't go overdosing on heroin when the rest of us choose not to agree.
How do you know? Are you more than one person? Are you in everybody, ala Agent Smith? The ghost in the machine? Of course not. Its extremely self centered and egotistical to even begin to assert this conclusion, because beyond your own facile emic examination, you have no evidence upon which to reach it. And I say facile not to be insulting, but because a viewpoint that simply concludes people are smart, but secretly stupid sheep, is facile. It ignores the complexities of why people behave the way they do, which is an interaction between culture, environment and biology.
We did live in a completely non manufactured society at one point. It was brutal and basically horrible. As soon as we got smart enough to figure out how to get out of it, we did and never looked back. There's a good reason for why our society manufactures our experiences and our things: Because if it didn't, no one would, and we'd all be banging rocks together to get tonight's meal again.
This is pretty much a naturalist fallacy, and a huge leap to conclusions. Just because its manufactured doesn't make it less real, or bad, or fake, or wrong, or whatever, bro. We make these things because we want them. Its okay to like them. And just because you watched a movie doesn't mean you live your entire life by proxy. And of course, even if someone did live their entire lives by proxy, there isn't anything inherently right or wrong or good or bad about that. There is a dichotomy between our traditional ways of living and modern society. But that exists because our culture advances at a rate faster than our biology. Its not a bad thing, necessarily, it does create problems which should be and are addressed as solutions to them become available thanks to technological and other cultural advancements.
Experience WHAT exactly? What completely natural experience is there that you can't experience in our world that you would want to? Running through the wild hunting a wild boar with a spear in your bullskin mankini? Your argument is the argument of a Luddite basically.
1. This line is hubristic and arrogant, it presumes that only a depressed person "sees the world as it truly is" that only socially ostracized people can "really" understand reality. This is the logic of a socially ostracized person trying to justify their willful ostracization. It has no basis in reality outside of that fact. Your argument is basically "If you aren't a depressed suicidal person, you don't actually understand reality because you are fooling yourself". Never once does your statement even begin to enter into a realm where some self reflection might exist, which is a big sign that the statement is fallacious and based solely on a selfish and self entitled outlook. I'm a pretty smart fella when I want to be and I've brought two children into this world, rejected vast swaths of cultural expectations and familial expectations, and no, I don't see the world as a depressing place and no I don't feel alienated by society, and I do feel that I see the world as it exists to me, and I don't feel that that involves engaging in any forms of willful ignorance, in fact I despise willful ignorance as a cowardly act.
2. I reject any definition of a singular objectively healthy mental state in a world of 7 billion individual minds, because it doesn't exist, and plenty of people one might call crazy are really just crazy like a fox.