Squid Game

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I'm through 3 episodes, and I just don't care about any of this anymore. At least with The Bear I could fall back on just watching actors that I really like do their thing, but I'm just so tired of watching Lee Jung-jae run around in extreme anger / disappointment / whatever. It's like watching Mel Gibson limp from scene to scene in Payback.

The more screen time the VIPs get, the worse it gets. Feels like I'm watching a parody of the first season or something at this point, with no benefit of the initial shock, a more concise story, etc.
 

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Keep watching. It does improve some. You would not guess the ending from the beginning.

I liked it. It had some moments that seemed stupid but over all, I thought it ended well. It left an opening of sorts. This is important in that there have been discussions of more variants of the show in other countries.The surprise cameo was a ...what?? moment, that further illustrated this possibility.

The jump rope game was a bitch. There is no way I am crossing a chasm 6 stories up with no rails, much less having to jump to avoid the rope. I kind of figured 456 might sacrifice given all he had been through. He was already in bad shape from the first games. He just wanted to make sure that the baby survived as perhaps a way of redeeming himself a little bit.
 
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My opinion is quite similar to Mahes', I did enjoy season 2 and this feels just like the second half of season 2 (which it is, really), so it's just more of the same. There are a few contrived/plot moments that feel a bit odd but I think it's more of a cultural difference because it's a korean show than really bad writing, they tend to sometimes use tropes that we find overused or cliché in a totally straight manner.

Also went flat "wat" at the surprise cameo at the end haha.

meStevo said:
It's like watching Mel Gibson limp from scene to scene in Payback.

If you don't like to watch people limping, Squid Game 3 is definitely not for you! XD

Moderate spoilers below..

I liked the new games, they didn't just go the Saw route of coming up with just more sadistic/twisted games, they changed the way the games work by pitting the two "clans" against each other a lot more than before, even though some people change sides almost every game, in the end several games could have been won much more easily if the people had teamed up. In fact, this time the games could have ended with a LOT more living players if they had been more inclined to cooperate instead of being greedy and trying to rack up more money by killing other players for no other reason than cash, but that was the whole point of these games, showing how greedy (some, most) people can get.

Big spoilers below, don't read really if you haven't finished the season.

One thing I thought was quite silly was the turn to the dark side of 333 (the baby's father/crypto currency guy). I get that he was never really a standup boyfriend / future father to 222/her baby, and he never really attempts to help 222 during the rope jump game and leaves her to die, but during the last game he reveals he's the father and rightfully attempts to save himself with the baby, but then 2 minutes later he's threatening to toss her off the platform, makes Anakin's fall to the dark side look like a long and deep Shakespeare tragedy in comparison. I get that he needed to die but that seemed cartoonishly evil.

456's sacrifice seemed inevitable. There really was no way to "win" against the Squid Game organization, it's too powerful. Throughout season 2/3, Front Man tries to "break" 456's faith in humanity, and nearly succeeds. It is shown through flashbacks that Front Man's own humanity was basically taken away by his time in the games, in fact it was so thoroughly destroyed he joined the organization himself and went on to lead the games. I think he sees a lot of his former self in 456 and he wants to crush that spark of faith in humanity because he wants to believe he couldn't have done better, that he couldn't have been a better man at the time, that he did the right thing.. and in the end, 456 "wins" by sacrificing himself and being the better man. That's why Front Man decides to get 456's remaining prize money and gives it to his daughter, as recognition that he really won and was the better man. But the games continue.
 
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Mahes

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Do they kill the stupid fucking tranny? I can't stand that character.
Of course they kill him. The first season had one winner. It goes to reason that the formula would stay pretty close to the same. This show one ups Game of Thrones in that everybody can die and most do. I can go further in explaining the end if you want, but I assume you might watch it.
 

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Twitter source link contains spoilers.

"The project will be a series and serve as a continuation rather than a direct remake."
 
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If you're quick on the mute button with the VIPs, the show improves tremendously.

no idea how the VIPs didn't end up on the cutting room floor. I would guess it has something to do with Season 4's direction
 

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The more screen time the VIPs get, the worse it gets. Feels like I'm watching a parody of the first season or something at this point, with no benefit of the initial shock, a more concise story, etc.

It killed scenes. Even fast with the mute and cutting their dialogue didn't salvage it due to what was on screen.

They really should be completely edited out.
 

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"The project will be a series and serve as a continuation rather than a direct remake."

I have my doubts. The atmosphere in the show was a very large part of why I think the show was popular. The quirky music and the settings both helped a lot. I guess you could do some Metallica version of the game, but then it kind of takes out the "kid's games" element. Then it just becomes a modern gladiator arena with games instead of direct fighting.

We know one actress involved. I do like a lot of what she does. I am extremely cautious....
 
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I have my doubts. The atmosphere in the show was a very large part of why I think the show was popular. The quirky music and the settings both helped a lot. I guess you could do some Metallica version of the game, but then it kind of takes out the "kid's games" element. Then it just becomes a modern gladiator arena with games instead of direct fighting.

We know one actress involved. I do like a lot of what she does. I am extremely cautious....

The fact that the "american cameo" was playing the regular korean game used for recruiting players could be an indication they're not going to fully americanize the content of the games, but simply moving the organization elsewhere to let the authorities cool down in South Korea. The cameo-recruiter also apparently knew Front Man's face, so he must be quite involved in the development of the american Squid Games, we can assume he remains director.

With Fincher at the helm and depending on the cast, I might give this enough benefit of the doubt to start watching an american version, but I too have my doubts. Plus Squid Game was pretty good because it was overall a short phenomenon and a lot of the impact was due to shock and awe, but it shouldn't outstay its welcome or dillute itself too much in spinoffs or it just becomes Saw 14 with people wearing green tracksuits.
 
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It killed scenes. Even fast with the mute and cutting their dialogue didn't salvage it due to what was on screen.

They really should be completely edited out.

Fucking awful!

They made it worse than one of those low budget WWE movies where a bunch of rich rednecks hunts down some down on his luck drifter.
 

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Fucking awful!

They made it worse than one of those low budget WWE movies where a bunch of rich rednecks hunts down some down on his luck drifter.

If their inclusion is a big part of S4 (which it seems to be) then count me out. Not interested in that direction with peanut gallery tech billionaires buying into and funding the games. The mystique and magic was already gone after S1. The VIPs just completely killed what was left.