Star Trek: Discovery

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The power of math scene complete with everyone clapping, the high five, and "you are correct, Ensign" blew my mind with just how god damn stupid it is. RLM's parody of it was less silly.
 

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God this show is hard to watch. Picked up CBS all access for 2.99 on Amazon. FIgured I would watch the 2nd season. First season had a lot of cringe moments but it somewhat redeemed itself by the end.

But fuck the second season. Fucking hours of "FEELINGS IN SPACE". No plot, no science, just endless FEELINGS. "Hey, the ship in mortal danger but that can wait! We have to discuss our feelings first!"

God what awful garbage. The mary sue crap is off the charts, and all the worst creepy fan fiction is now mainstream. Ick. Thank god for riding the 10 second fast forward button, skip the crappy stuff (about 60 percent of the shows) and move to what little action they have. Gave up on seeing any actual science or a plot that makes sense.

Hope the second season gets better, but it's a rough slog. This is easily some of the worst television ever written.
 
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Yeah. I liked Original Trek's combat a lot better. Was based on submarine/battleship combat and starships being major assets. Getting a fleet of 40 together was a HUGE deal.

And it really made sense. If you're using particle weapons that move at the speed of light, and are fighting within X range, the idea of a fighter becomes absurd. Fighters only exist in modern navies because our munitions are slow, and can be evaded but also have greatly outpaced other defenses outside of avoidance. But in Star Trek, shields really even up the offense/defense disparity, while the high speed of weapons lowered the ability to avoid. I always liked the idea in Star Trek where shields were really the only answer to more survival, and thus ships got bigger and better shielded to tank hits instead of dodging everything. (I know there were plenty of misses in Star Trek combat but the general rule of thumb was it was submarine combat until the shooting started, battleship type combat after).

Adding fighters who can't possibly have the ability to generate shielding enough to take a hit ruins the aesthetic. Because if beam weapons somehow aren't accurate enough to hit a majority of the time, and the fighters produce enough power to do damage, then the idea of big ships with shields becomes silly--fighters would dominate everything, like they do today in modern naval combat. But if they are accurate enough, then the fighters should do about this well vs a large ship.



Shit was a huge mistake when they started adding corvettes in DS9, wrong way to go. The battleship/submarine aesthetic was really unique.
Yeah but BSG did space combat so much better than Star Trek ever did that it's almost not worth talking about Star Trek combat. Star Trek in general didn't make a ton of sense because you'd expect flagships to have a significant number of escorts, not just flying around the quadrant solo all the time on random scientific or exploratory missions. Let's not forget officers beaming down all the fucking time... so much of Star Trek is just so fucking wrong when you think about it, it's almost not worth analyzing.

Star Wars combat on the other hand, has just kinda been all over the place. In the X-wing and Tie Fighter games they sort of retconned in a bunch of stuff that made Star Wars combat make sense, like having entire classes of weapons devoted to disabling ships for boarding/seizure, which makes sense in a galaxy where the major conflict erupted from trade wars, political rebellion and where piracy and bounty hunting are both common.

Then they made Star Wars combat stupid again with the new movies.
 

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Region locking sucks! :-(
 
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I kind of wish they would have just put all the eggs into the Picard Basket. Yes, the crew is old but it just looks so much better than this show.
 

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I hope this premieres completely after Picard's 10 episode run so they can see how many love, subscribe, or pirate TNG + Voyager goodness and then don't give a flying fuck about Discovery.
 

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It's called sunk costs.
 
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Rewatched Voyager after TNG and DS9 this summer. Can't bring myself to watch Enterprise again. I'm just glad to be munching some Trek. Yeoh and Mount makes it not completely sucky. I just dose of when it's pew pew pew lazer time.

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I'm basically a TOS fan, it was part of those lost teen years with only broadcast TV, but Star Trek reruns every night after Honeymooners.... or The Odd Couple. NY area broadcast 80's represent!

I think this is a good series. I'm halfway done. It has flaws imo mainly in terms of how to wrestle plots into good storytelling, but the Universe is ok, and the actors are holding my interest. Burnham is holding my attention, the Capt. Pike thing isn't bad (first season with "Cpt. Steele" as captain Lorca was fun).

If I had to give my fave character, I think it might be Suru. I usually *hate* the way the franchise has tried to make believable aliens out of the original romulan - vulcan - klingon deal.

This show does good with species. Suru might be the best new alien species character to date. I'm enjoying this series!

edit: and I think the spore drive deal is perfectly ok. Granted, it is basically a graft from the Dune universe, but what is a little shared folded space among friends?

Many machines on ix....
 
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Okay, how many seasons can they actually have of Discovery before it breaks into TOS proper timeline? or are they just straight up shitting all over it... its no matter than "NO ONE REMEMBERS 5 YEARS AGO" or whatever in TOS with pike and spock and all that and even the klingons all apparently DISSAPEAR AND ONLY THEIR GENETIC MUTANT KIND EXIST and NO ONE REMEMBERS "NORMAL" Klingon

Okay nevermind there is no real care or ability to reconcile TOS with STD - but I expect a galaxy reset button to be pressed sometime to explain it... like... the federation just does not remember it has the spore drive... it does not remember that there are nukes in the center of kronos... no one cares that spock is aloonytoon up until kirk shows up apparently...or that he has a half sister war lord responsible for setting of the biggest and worst war in federation history...
 
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I agree with you. I just finished watching the Talosian episode, which I thought *might* be really cool, but I give it B-. I appreciate the effort, but either consolidate the canon chosen, or do a clean break into a new timeline like the recent films did.

BTW, I thought the movie's new timeline plot was nicely done. Of course, it helps when you have Leonard Fuckin Nimoy to hinge it all together hehe.

This series is a bit of fluff, but in a good way.

But I agree. How many seasons can they do before they fuck up the TOS timeline for this era? They better be careful. I'll forgive the weakness of the Talosian story. The mirror, mirror re-take was cool too -- Michelle Yeoh plays a great badass.

edit: I think my point is, for me, they haven't crossed a line, but they are close to it. And since when do Talosians actually talk?????
 
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Alright I think I am getting to a certain point with this series.

This is like if Deadwood sucked when it came to plot.

The Universe is fine enough for me.
I already said, I think the Kelpians and Suru are among the few alien races star trek has managed to flesh out, outside of course of the original klingon-vulcan-romulan.
I like the chars. key for star trek to work imo.

So imagine Deadwood with great context, really interesting character types and specific chars, but wtf is the story? It's like listening to a stoner do a line of coke. I mean, maybe? But I doubt it?

I'm still ok with it, but I can imagine skipping a third season at this point.

Just keepin it 100

edit: whoever early on in this thread called it "Feelings In Space," that was a good call. The constant "whisper speech" that chars use in this show is getting on my nerves.
 
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Wait...were those discovery scenes real? I thought it was some kind of parody or something, because the Archer voice guy was in it. That was REALLY in the show?

I only watched the 1st season, so I don't know if that's from the second season or one of those shorts they did. It is an official thing though, and not a parody.