Star Trek: Starfleet Academy

Hoss

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With streaming they use those direct numbers. The Nielsen stuff is going extinct

Unless it's changed recently, it only gets counted if it's watched within a few days.

Why the hell were betazeds using sign language. They are a telepathic species. Shit went downhill from there for me.
It's just the leader who does his speaking with his fingers. The other betas are talking with their mouth holes.
 

Rajaah

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Yeah I guess DS9 does have a lot of The Message with the Bajoran/Cardassian stuff. It's harder to notice these things when I'm watching an episode every two weeks over ten years.

I never felt particularly preached at by it, in any case. Only thing I'm not crazy about is Kira's general rage towards the Cardassians, and the show kinda-sorta implying that terrorism is ok if you're a "freedom fighter" via her.

The Cardassians also never struck me as "the white man". Mainly because they're grey and strike me more as an allegory for imperialists in general. The Bajorans are whiter than they are, and strike me more as an allegory for invaded/conquered nations in general rather than specifically American slavery.

Quite frankly if I were to compare the conflict to anything, it'd be England's domination over Scotland and Ireland. There are a zillion other examples throughout history as well.

Speaking of messages and metaphors, am I understanding right that they butchered Picard's speech from The Drumhead on the latest episode? Was it because of incompetence or was it intentional? Heard something about how they took out a line about breaking chains because the current ideology of the writers is more about creating the chains.

Either way, bonkers that TNG's speech about censorship...was censored by these hacks.
 

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Yeah I guess DS9 does have a lot of The Message with the Bajoran/Cardassian stuff
Star Trek has always been super progressive going back to the very beginning but they used to generally prioritize telling a good story first and foremost. One of the best episodes of DS9 was the Marritza episode in S1, which is sayign something because the first two seasons were generally pretty bad.
 
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Sure, Star Trek was always progressive but it was also even-handed. You present a complex issue and if it's a real world allegory there's enough distance between the real thing and it's simulacrum that the audience doesn't just immediately know what you're up to. You do a bit of work so there's no straw villain and then conclude the story with the audience making up their own mind. You try and tell a good story along the way.

edit - I'm slow
 
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In DS9 Kira is an unabashed terrorist. She did what she needed to be done. If you were enslaved by the Cardassians and got blown up working in their mines or factories that's what you get for being a collaborator. She planted a bomb in her mother's quarters in the hopes it would kill Dukat. Serves her right for being a comfort woman. Being a comfort woman is something the show presents in a nuanced fashion. Dukat, who was banging Kira's mom, doesn't even get any comeuppance in that episode. He'll go like five seasons without any.

You could never do this today in a mainstream production. You'd have to soften Kira and you'd never be able to let Dukat be that charming. Kira's mom banging spoonheads got her family the extra rations and medicine that kept them alive and she wasn't treated poorly during it? Throw that shit right in the garbage it's rape o'clock. What if her getting raped to death drove Kira to do the terrible things that she totes regrets but was absolutely right in doing the whole time?
 
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