Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

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This is because today's writers aren't forced to hone their craft in the trenches. They used to have to prove themselves before they were given the keys to their own production. Sure there were outliers here and there...there always is...but it is now normal for someone very inexperienced to get their own production or have the lead in them.
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It's been said before but needs repeating. Bang on.

The new writer's room culture is to "bring in" some writers, usually in the name of diversification of the writer's room. Lots of them, not just 1 or 2 but get 3-4 or 5 junior wannabes signed up and signed on. Because they are junior writers the SJW showrunner can easily berate a moderate liberal into a Rian Johnson-- what else are they going to do, go find work elsewhere?
 
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Sounds like whynning to me
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having trouble feigning excitement at 8 whopping episodes of what was billed as a marquee star trek show to save star trek.

Any real story arc needs 10 episodes at the minimum-- hence the rewrites for the 2nd half of the season for the remaining episodes.

True Detective S2 went through similar problems with 8 episodes, but in that instance it was just a lack of material. Anything 8 episodes isn't anything to get overly excited about and is a major disappointment.
 
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It's been said before but needs repeating. Bang on.

The new writer's room culture is to "bring in" some writers, usually in the name of diversification of the writer's room. Lots of them, not just 1 or 2 but get 3-4 or 5 junior wannabes signed up and signed on. Because they are junior writers the SJW showrunner can easily berate a moderate liberal into a Rian Johnson-- what else are they going to do, go find work elsewhere?
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Johnson is another good example, he has made some good shit, some really good shit. TLJ didn't suck because he got woke. It sucked because he either didn't understand or didn't care about the material. There's no amount of wokeness you can subtract that suddenly makes his vision of Luke something that fits the world and makes for a good story. If they'd had one less feminist in the writer's room that wouldn't have saved that movie.
 
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Johnson got TLJ because he bowed down to the Kathleen Kennedy Klan, who were all over the top wokesters right down to her "story authorization team" of millennials. Looper was good on first watch but does not hold up well. He gets hard pass from me forever after TLJ so I have not seen Knives Out (which the cast is full of woketards outside of Plumber and maybe Craig). Did he do something else good?

Compare him to Guy Ritchie or secret pervert shitlord James Gunn. There are good writers out there, but none of them are towing the line for the cult so the shit tends to get buried. But you are right in that Wokesters are only part of the issue. Entertainment has become way too risk averse (how the woke crowd took over in the first place) and as a result there are not a lot of movies treading new ground or avoiding the safe mold most movies follow. I know I will get shit for this, but Logan Lucky is an example of an excellent movie with great writing and cast, but got more or less buried because it was about normal rural people instead of checking off boxes. I put Deus Machina in the same category and that had literally two of the same actors from TLJ shitfest killing it the entire movie. Deadpool was the last time I can recall anyone in Hollywood taking a chance with real money.
 
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PS- Star Trek the motionless picture was basically given the Ryan Johnson treatment. The writer did not want to make a start trek movie, but his own story. So we got the bald chick and the young dude using Star Trek as a wrapper to sell his boring ass shit. Probably the first time that happened on such a large budget scale.
 
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Original reboot movie was the only one that actually dealt with non-humans. 2nd was Khan and rogue starfleet while the 3rd was a rogue starfleet captain with a facelift.

They had to put the casino sequence into TLJ just to up their non-human scenes. Writers have no idea how to do a "universe"
 
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- 8 episodes total unless they can secure distro from....a street food truck vendor

- final 4 episodes going through extensive rewrites during production by Goldman

- CBS funding all out of pocket confirmed-- resulting in a small number of episodes

- licensees walked out on Strange New Worlds (Netflix and Amazon) after a viewing, no sale occurred

- merchandising nonexistent
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Got a link for this or is it rumors?
 
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Original reboot movie was the only one that actually dealt with non-humans. 2nd was Khan and rogue starfleet while the 3rd was a rogue starfleet captain with a facelift.

They had to put the casino sequence into TLJ just to up their non-human scenes. Writers have no idea how to do a "universe"
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I was referring to the original ST movie with the original cast. V'Ger was literally a complete ripoff of the episode Changeling done by the writer with his own characters inserted into the story. It is unquestionably the worst Trek movie out there.
 
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Johnson got TLJ because he bowed down to the Kathleen Kennedy Klan, who were all over the top wokesters right down to her "story authorization team" of millennials. Looper was good on first watch but does not hold up well. He gets hard pass from me forever after TLJ so I have not seen Knives Out (which the cast is full of woketards outside of Plumber and maybe Craig). Did he do something else good?

Compare him to Guy Ritchie or secret pervert shitlord James Gunn. There are good writers out there, but none of them are towing the line for the cult so the shit tends to get buried. But you are right in that Wokesters are only part of the issue. Entertainment has become way too risk averse (how the woke crowd took over in the first place) and as a result there are not a lot of movies treading new ground or avoiding the safe mold most movies follow. I know I will get shit for this, but Logan Lucky is an example of an excellent movie with great writing and cast, but got more or less buried because it was about normal rural people instead of checking off boxes. I put Deus Machina in the same category and that had literally two of the same actors from TLJ shitfest killing it the entire movie. Deadpool was the last time I can recall anyone in Hollywood taking a chance with real money.
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Not really anything else good but he's probably best known for Brick. His shtick is being neo noire adjacent in that he really doesn't possess enough creativity or writing skills to actually function within the wider realm of neo noir but he transposes old noir character tropes directly into a modern setting, it's his one trick and he uses it in every single movie. It was decently fresh in Brick but the twist of high school kids filling in the roles of an old noir detective story really wasn't enough to carry the movie and it has aged into a bit of a goofy mess, it's a tonal disaster and you can really see the same influence he had over that movie's mistakes continue to reappear in everything else that he's done. His lackluster dialogue was masked well enough by the excuse that it was supposed to be high school students in Brick but he just keeps writing in that same manner and by the time you get to TLJ and Knives Out it's glaringly apparent that he can't write any type of natural feeling dialogue or develop characters in any way beyond the one dimension that he creates them within to parallel something from an old Dashiel Hammet story.

His saving grace has been that he understands how to visualize and properly shoot a scene to keep things interesting but if you watch or re-watch his movies you can clearly see the crutches that he props up his world's around. He knows how to visually keep a story moving along from point A to point B and put that to film but he writes characters and dialogue like a teenager.
 
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I was referring to the original ST movie with the original cast. V'Ger was literally a complete ripoff of the episode Changeling done by the writer with his own characters inserted into the story. It is unquestionably the worst Trek movie out there.
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Well it was initially just the pilot episode for Star Trek 2 where they had to introduce the three major new characters in a big way. While Xon got fucked over when Nimoy signed on after it switched from a new TV series to a motion picture, the other two were still central to the original plot. Ilya and her super sex powers being the most late 1970s Hollywood thing imaginable.
 
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TMNT & Other Paramount Movies Allegedly Part Of Massive Tax Fraud

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CBS is still committed to funding Star Trek entirely on its own (without any distribution deals or merchandising), while having taken some major bumps with the stock crash losing 60% of its share value never to recover-- and also now this financial scandal brewing.

Hopefully no effect on the budget and production of Strange New Worlds. If they can only scrape 8 episodes together, I'm skeptical there hasn't been an effect. Kurtzman did say the New World's scripts are some of his most complete scripts ever due to the length of time it took to get into shooting. But can 8 episodes of "really complete scripts" tell a story that's engaging in a Star Trek sense?

Let's just hope they get some more episodes done.
 
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Hopefully no effect on the budget and production of Strange New Worlds. If they can only scrape 8 episodes together, I'm skeptical there hasn't been an effect. Kurtzman did say the New World's scripts are some of his most complete scripts ever due to the length of time it took to get into shooting. But can 8 episodes of "really complete scripts" tell a story that's engaging in a Star Trek sense?

Let's just hope they get some more episodes done.
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do you have any idea of what you are talking about ever, Strange New Worlds is 10 episodes and thats already been confirmed multiple places. They are literally filming right now and the stars and crew are posting on twitter about how they are currently filming episode 7 of 10

Rebecca Romijin looks really fucked up tho, why does she look like a cat now

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she and her husband the guy from Sliders is in a movie together that looks hilariously bad tho

 
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Strange New Worlds will debut on Paramount+ on May 5th

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'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' Release Date Confirmed, More Trek Coming Soon

Paramount Plus announces new details for Trek shows Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks and Prodigy.
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also Star Trek Discovery, Lower Decks, and STN has been renewed for more seasons. STN got its second season renewal before the first has even aired
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looks good, i really like that actor (Hell on Wheels) so i'm in for a few episodes at least. Has more the TNG/TOS vibe than whatever the fuck is going on with Discovery.

I forget what happened with Pike in season 2 or 3 of Discovery, did they change the timeline or hop universes or whatever or is he still the same Pike that ends up in a Space Scooter in TNG
 
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Uhh yeah nothing against the actress they hired but not a good fit for young Uhura. 😵

 
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