Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker

Zapatta said:

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The question is did Iger have a problem with it, or did Kennedy? JJ and Lucas did Episode 9 together, wrote the story.

We know from the leaks that Iger had a problem overall with the first movie JJ and Lucas created. He said it was another TLJ and that the characters weren't recognizable enough to audiences and nobody would feel good about the movie. He was partly right to cancel the original JJ and Lucas movie.

The second movie is the 300m in reshoots they spent to create a new movie that erased central characters to the original Episode 9 movie JJ and Lucas created.

Everyone is working to piece that together now for an accurate and complete summary of Episode 9's production and the Star Wars vision for the future in 2021 and beyond.

Answering the question as to who had a problem with what-- that's going to be critical. Critical in determining whether the Feige movie will be any good.

I'm not experiencing the same slow growing, simmering rage that I had at Last Jedi with this one. I mean yeah, it kinda sucked and was clearly a cinematic tourniquet on a story bleeding to death. Noting made sense. It was pretty and had great FX, but the plot was total nonsense. Even simple breaks in logic like.... who built all those star detroyers? Where'd the materials come from? How'd Palpatine escape the death star explosion? Why is there a giant stadium of sith cultists?

It's just batshit from start to finish, and inserting Carrie Fisher was a huge mistake. It reminded me of the Sopranos episodes with Livia after she died.

BUT, it didn't actively try to shit on my childhood heroes. So there's that.

Adebisi said:

The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
The Force Awakens
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Solo
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Rogue One
The Last Jedi / The Rise of Skywalker
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones / Revenge of the Sith

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Empire > Return > New Hope > Force Awakens >>> Rogue One > Revenge = Rise >> Phantom >> Attack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Last Jedi

Yeah this was dog shit.

1 Empire Strikes Back
2 A New Hope
3 Return of the Jedi
4 Rogue One
5 The Force Awakens
6 Revenge of the Sith
7 Solo
8 Rise of Skywalker
9 Phantom Menace
10 Attack of the Clones
11 The Last Jedi

Really 10/11 are interchangeable, I just feel obligated to put TLJ last

Daezuel said:

Also, I might have given The Last Jedi a pass if Rian had done 3 different things.

1. Luke Skywalker survives for a showdown in 9.
2. Finn dies saving everyone.
3. Film ends on the scene with Kylo extending his hand to Rey, so you don't know how it ends.

So actually yeah, I think it's possible you could remix these 3 movies to have a decent story.

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I think you could but you'd have to remake TLJ entirely.

I thought TLJ was ok up to the red room scene. The luke stuff needed to be... better, just better. Bitter, cynical, jaded luke is fine. Luke drink blue milk straight out of a manatee tit goes a little far in the rickety cricket direction. Even watching it the first time that seemed like the obvious place to end that movie. That's a fresh set up for a third movie. "This is new, this is something that we haven't seen before, how the hell is THAT going to work?" And you do a movie about direct democracy, personal responsibility, and freedom from dogma. You find one single ethical dillema and build your movie around it. Leia can be the voice of hope, Luke can be redeemed from his bitter cynicism, Han's still dead but whatever he was the voice in the wilderness if you want to go that way. And your new characters can both take up the mantle, help resolve the failings of the previous generation while retaining the success they had and contributing their own. The torch can be passed and you can have an emotionally satisfying story that more closely mirrors how people ACTUALLY come into the leadership phase of their adulthood.

But then they had a 2nd half of the movie that systematically destroyed that idea as well as everything else. They went full retard.

The RLM guys are right. At least TLJ tried to do something different and new. It failed and it failed miserably, but JJ even didn't try. So how important is that? I guess it depends on what you want to get out of a star wars movie.

The biggest problem with TLJ is they had to pad out the run time with a bunch of bullshit to get to the 2+ hour mark. If you remove the Finn/Rose side quest and the battle on Crait there can't be much more than an hour and some change left. Removing the side quest gets rid of a universally disliked segment of the movie and removing the battle on Crait gets rid of Luke dying as well as the stupidity with Rose saving Finn, another two things a lot of people disliked. But then you only have the low speed chase and Rey's training for an entire movie. Also, can someone remind me how she even ended up on the command ship? I legit don't remember. But yes, ending the movie in the throne room would have been a perfect cliffhanger.

Fadaar said:

The biggest problem with TLJ is they had to pad out the run time with a bunch of bullshit to get to the 2+ hour mark. If you remove the Finn/Rose side quest and the battle on Crait there can't be much more than an hour and some change left. Removing the side quest gets rid of a universally disliked segment of the movie and removing the battle on Crait gets rid of Luke dying as well as the stupidity with Rose saving Finn, another two things a lot of people disliked. But then you only have the low speed chase and Rey's training for an entire movie. Also, can someone remind me how she even ended up on the command ship? I legit don't remember. But yes, ending the movie in the throne room would have been a perfect cliffhanger.

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I think she knocked Darth Emo out and stole his jet plane.

There was one line in the movie and I'm pretty sure that's how it happened. Offscreen.

So yeah, it's not like JJ has a lockdown on "shhh, don't think about it".

iannis said:

I think she knocked Darth Emo out and stole his jet plane.

There was one line in the movie and I'm pretty sure that's how it happened. Offscreen.

So yeah, it's not like JJ has a lockdown on "shhh, don't think about it".

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While you're mostly correct (she escaped using Snoke's personal shuttle), his question was how she got ON the ship, not off it. The Millenium Falcon just jumped into the slow chase, launched Rey in an evacuation pod at the Supremacy, and jumped back out of the slow chase.

Heylel said:

Even simple breaks in logic like.... who built all those star detroyers? Where'd the materials come from? How'd Palpatine escape the death star explosion? Why is there a giant stadium of sith cultists?

It's just batshit from start to finish, and inserting Carrie Fisher was a huge mistake. It reminded me of the Sopranos episodes with Livia after she died.

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The first Death Star took 30 years to build then they started pinching them out like they were Fords. And then they built an UBER GIANT ONE and a massive fleet in secret.

sike said:

I think empire is overrated relative to RoTJ and personally I thought TLJ was better than any of the prequels.

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This trilogy is what happens when this song is the plot outline and not an actual story.

Runnen said:

While you're mostly correct (she escaped using Snoke's personal shuttle), his question was how she got ON the ship, not off it. The Millenium Falcon just jumped into the slow chase, launched Rey in an evacuation pod at the Supremacy, and jumped back out of the slow chase.

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Oh yeah I forgot she was a dumbass and went there voluntarily, only saw the movie once and by that point I was starting to lose interest. The throne room stuff almost made up for the rest of the fuckery except for the terribad fight choreography against the guards and the fact that the movie didn't end there.

Catchy.

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