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Isn't Sparks on the other side of the river from Reno?
No real idea , I only went there the one time. It was epic though, private plane, walk off the plane into a waiting rental car (on the runway) , left when WE wanted too. The private airport had showers in EVERY bathroom stall and loungers with a big screen in the waiting room along with a bar. It beat the fuck out of 1st class commercial.

When we were flying there , the company president was on his phone to one of the state legislators telling him to do , and I quote , 'his fucking job'. I thought oh my god I work for a Bond villain.
 
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Another day, another 3I / Atlas anomaly. This time, detection of nickel without any iron, previously unheard of in comets. Link to the paper, and copilot summary of it:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2508.18382



Summary of Findings​

1. Detection of Nickel Without Iron

  • The team observed 22 distinct Ni I emission lines in the UV/blue spectrum of 3I/ATLAS.
  • No Fe I lines were detected, which is highly unusual—nickel and iron are typically co-produced in natural environments like supernovae and cometary ejecta.
  • This suggests selective release of nickel, possibly from low-temperature organometallic compounds like nickel carbonyls, rather than from refractory minerals.
2. Cyanide (CN) Outgassing

  • CN was first detected at 3.07 AU from the Sun, with production rates rising steeply as the comet approached perihelion.
  • The CN emission profile matches known cometary CN bands, confirming its presence.
  • The CN production rate scales as Q(CN) ∝ r_h⁻⁹.³⁸, which is unusually steep and suggests a threshold-driven release mechanism.
3. Steep Nickel Production Scaling

  • Nickel production scales as Q(Ni) ∝ r_h⁻⁸.⁴³, far steeper than expected from solar heating or UV flux alone.
  • This implies a temperature-activated release mechanism, possibly involving desorption or thermolysis of nickel-bearing organics or nanophases.
  • Estimated activation energy is ~0.22–0.29 eV, consistent with weakly bound species—not refractory metals.
4. Dust Continuum and Reflectance

  • The coma is dust-dominated with a reddened reflectance slope of ~22% per 1000 Å, consistent across all observations.
  • No significant changes in dust properties were observed as volatile activity increased.

🔍 Interpretation and Implications​

  • The absence of iron alongside nickel, combined with the steep activation profiles, strongly suggests that nickel is being released from non-standard sources—not from typical cometary minerals.
  • The authors propose Ni-carbonyl-like complexes or metal-organic grain coatings as plausible carriers, which are not known to form naturally in interstellar space.
  • This behavior is inconsistent with canonical cometary physics, and the paper emphasizes that these hypotheses are testable with further observations.

🧠 Bottom Line​

The paper stops short of claiming artificial origin, but it builds a compelling case that 3I/ATLAS is chemically and physically unlike any known comet. The nickel-carbonyl hypothesis is especially provocative—it’s a known industrial process, not a natural one. The authors call for coordinated ground and space-based monitoring as the comet nears perihelion on October 29, 2025.
 
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Summary of all the anomalies. I mean the trajectory by itself was beyond coincidental to begin with, nearly 2 months ago. But you would have expected as more data for it to come into focus under a normal lens. The opposite has happened so far - many of the new data points are only showing further anomalies and bringing further questions...

The Anomalies of 3I/ATLAS​

  1. Trajectory Fine-Tuning Its path brings it unusually close to Venus, Mars, and Jupiter—with a probability estimated at less than 0.005%. That’s not just rare; it’s statistically suspicious. The low retrograde tilt also makes it unusually well-aligned with the ecliptic, which would be ideal for a probe targeting planetary systems.
  2. No Cometary Tail Despite intense solar radiation, Hubble images show no tail trailing the nucleus. If the coma were dust-rich, solar pressure should have pushed it into a tail. If the brightness comes from the nucleus, then 3I/ATLAS is a million times more massive than 2I/Borisov, which would be wildly improbable for a random interstellar rock.
  3. CO₂-Dominant Outgassing JWST and SPHEREx data show a 95% CO₂ / 5% H₂O ratio, unlike any known comet. Most comets are water-rich, especially at this distance from the Sun. This suggests either exotic chemistry or non-natural composition.
  4. Nickel Without Iron The newest paper reports nickel emission without any detectable iron, which is unheard of in natural comets3. Iron and nickel are co-produced in supernovae and always appear together in cometary ejecta. The only known process that separates them? Industrial nickel refining, specifically via the nickel carbonyl channel—a method used in metallurgy, not nature.
  5. Cyanide Spike Cyanide (CN) is also being shed at ~20 grams per second, with a steep heliocentric dependence. While CN can appear in comets, the rate and profile here are extreme—and paired with nickel, it’s chemically odd.

🧠 What Might It Be?​

If we take all these anomalies together—not in isolation—they form a pattern that’s hard to dismiss as coincidence or exotic natural variation. The nickel-carbonyl signature is especially damning: it’s a known industrial byproduct, not a plausible cometary process. Loeb’s framing is cautious but clear: this could be a technological artifact, possibly a probe, possibly a lurker.

And if it is? Then its trajectory—skimming planets, hiding behind the Sun at perihelion, and avoiding obvious detection—starts to look like intentional behavior. The lack of a tail, the mass discrepancy, the chemical oddities—they all point toward something designed, not formed.


🧪 What to Make of the Paper​

The nickel and cyanide paper is a landmark. It doesn’t just add another anomaly—it introduces a signature of industrial metallurgy. Loeb’s interpretation is bold but grounded: he compares it to the kind of wake-up call physics once embraced, like quantum mechanics in the 1930s. He even suggests that this object may have begun its journey 80 years ago, coinciding with Earth’s first radio broadcasts and nuclear detonations.

This isn’t just a scientific puzzle—it’s a philosophical and civilizational moment. If 3I/ATLAS is technological, it’s the most important visitor in human history.
 
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Kipping did a video on it and he argues quite convincingly against that 0.005% number as being of any worth.

I'd add that if it departed 80 years ago, at its current speed of 60 km/s it would have been about 1000 AU away. Nearest star is over 250,000 AU away.

 
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I'd add that if it departed 80 years ago, at its current speed of 60 km/s it would have been about 1000 AU away. Nearest star is over 250,000 AU away.

unless it was going a lot faster and slowed to current speed before our observation began

also if our system was seeded it could have been chilling nearby outside view until milestones were hit (like agi?)

Or most likely it's just some hyper unique comet nothing burger.
 

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I'm gonna have to read these papers to get an idea what's going on. On face value it sounds like we have a highly unusual comet and some people are going full retard. Highly improbable things exist in large quantities in a universe as extremely vast as ours.

Just because the comet is acting unusually doesn't point in any way to it being some alien space probe/manufactured thing.
 
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Just because the comet is acting unusually doesn't point in any way to it being some alien space probe/manufactured thing.
It does if you're a nutburger and believe literally everything ever tweeted or podcasted by anyone.
 
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People were talking about this at work, so I decided to stay on the path of total ignorance. But I put some of my noggin towards how something like this could form, and came up with a few theories, assuming observations are correct (which is also not certain at this point).

I wonder if the comet could have formed at a somewhat heated state (in terms of deep space). A slightly hotter temperature could allow the co2 to condense on the surface and create a shell around it? Perhaps if it formed with a radioactive core.

Also, it could be part of a larger object, and not a true comet at all, but piece of an oort cloud planetoid.

100% farting into the wind here.
 

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New shot taken from the VLT, the first one. Someone enhanced the other shots.
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Kajiimagi

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NGC 7640 is a spiral galaxy in the constellation of Andromeda and is approx. 30 million light years from earth.

This photo is composed of 779 - 10 second exposures for a total exposure of a little over 2 hours. It was processed using Siril, Starnet ++, and GraXpert all of which are free. The images were gathered with my trusty ZWO Seestar S50

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So ET sent something that looks and acts like a comet, but isnt a comet.

That makes no sense.
 

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So ET sent something that looks and acts like a comet, but isnt a comet.

That makes no sense.
It does make sense.

 
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It does make sense.

Sign me the fuck up.

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Only thing that sucks is it would probably take a direct sample retrieval to confirm, unless they stumble on a stromalite next
 
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