The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

Drinsic_sl said:

That's what I meant by makes sense.

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Aware - wasn't contradicting you, was reinforcing.

Will be interesting to see when the "standard" edition PS4 overtakes the launch edition xbone on amazon:http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...bs/videogames/
From what I understand, there are more launch units available for the PS4. That certainly seems true on Amazon or the PS4 wouldn't rank ahead of the xbone with both launch day units sold out.

Some random reading suggests Gamespot may have 4x as many PS4s as xbones. If the ratio for online distributers like Amazon were anywhere remotely close to that... holy shit.

I mean, right now there are more orders for a second PS4 controller than for the standard xbone.

Well, Microsoft isn't just attacking Amazon's resale business--they are also attempting to make a name for themselves as a distribution and production company. And it's a place where Amazon is vulnerable because they've been expending a lot of capital to compete with the accessibility companies like Comcast-NBC, Disney, Viacom (ect) have. These recent shows Amazon is producing, and Netflix, are pretty huge--they are the first real shots of the internet age where companies are saying that the TV audience is NOT the primary concern anymore--that content can be made, with a triple-A budget--directly for internet distribution....IF you have the right distributor (Like Netflix/Amazon and maybe soon HBO-GO? When they stop getting money shoveled at them from the big media companies.)

Xbox making the "Halo TV-series" for Xbone shows that they don't just want the Xbone to be something you watch TV through, they want it to be kind of like a media distribution center--like Netflix merged with steam. Unfortunately, they are, for some reason, trying to develop this on their own--while asking for people to shoulder the upfront capital....Their plan sounds like it would have been far more successful if they would have teamed with the big media companies, like Comcast of Warner, and given the box away for nearly free, but charged a subscription/rental fee. Kind of like a Roku-video-game hybrid. (Like others in this thread mentioned.)

But asking for 500$ upfront for the promise of a service? And "content" like self-produced TV? I just don't know what they were thinking.

Soriak_sl said:

Will be interesting to see when the "standard" edition PS4 overtakes the launch edition xbone on amazon:http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-v...bs/videogames/
From what I understand, there are more launch units available for the PS4. That certainly seems true on Amazon or the PS4 wouldn't rank ahead of the xbone with both launch day units sold out.

Some random reading suggests Gamespot may have 4x as many PS4s as xbones. If the ratio for online distributers like Amazon were anywhere remotely close to that... holy shit.

I mean, right now there are more orders for a second PS4 controller than for the standard xbone.

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From what was posted on Neogaf there seems to be double the amount of PS4 pre-orders available across retailers than Xbone's. Some of it is attributed to MS having production problems with the eSRAM.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=576869

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...412132898.html- Sony Boosts Internal Sales Estimates for PlayStation 4

Wall Street Jurnal got an article up on PS4 demand exceeding Sony's expectations.

"Sony (NYSE:SNE): Sony has raised its initial internal sales estimates for the PlayStation 4, based on early indications that demand will be stronger than though previously. Now, one of the largest concerns among managementis the supply necessary to meet said demand. With a $100 premium over the PS4 and tighter restrictions on game sharing, Microsoft's (NASDAQ:MSFT) Xbox seems to be pushing more gamers Sony's way."

You will need a wsj sub to finish the article.

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From the same neogaf thread...

For everyone asking- this information is all pretty recent. Around the PlayStation Meeting the Xbox One was way behind (OS + hardware). Engineers were scrambling to get things sorted out.

It turns out, they didn't sort it out. The OS you saw was a complete and total lie. The current plan is to get the yields up, lower the clock rate, and to have enough units out for a sell out in the Fall.

For those asking how this affects performance- to be perfectly frank; it is nothing turning down features won't solve. The mass market will never notice a difference between 1080p and 900p; neither will they care about dynamic shadows / global illumination / or tesselation. Go to your PC - and turn shadows from Ultra to medium, disable tesselation, and lower the resolution to 900p; and you'll find games run totally fine.

Microsoft is purely behind and it's now time to make drastic decisions. I don't think any one is happy about the lower clocks, but no one is depressed about it either. The Xbox One is an all-in-on device; and that's how it will be marketed.

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Dunno about that, Xbone will have to be successful with this model for someone else to think it's a good idea. I'm guessing they back off their half baked DRM before someone else adopts it.

I think Microsoft actually has a fairly complicated system to allow sharing of downloaded games. Something weird with 10 friends... I don't think the details have been announced yet. In any case, that's a more favorable system than Steam, for example. So hopefully the digital-only sales won't be all that horrible. I guess I'd care a lot less about it for a $10 game than for a $60 game.

That said, a 500GB SSD is still pretty expensive and that appears to provide space for 10 large games of the current generation. That's not all that much. Add on top of that ridiculous bandwidth caps by ISPs, and I wonder whether I really need download-only content beside the occasional casual game. This is especially true when Amazon speeds up their delivery system, so Prime becomes free next-day and you pay for same day delivery. Given the $10 Comcast, for example, plans to charge for 50GB above 300GB bandwidth, it could actually be cheaper to get a same day delivery from Amazon than to download the game. Possibly faster, too.

X X E X X_sl said:

They just need to sit....chill...wait till M$ announces their release date, and then release theirs the same day or a day before MS. No reason not to twist that dagger that is sitting in M$ back atm by taking potential buyers money first.

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Sounds like Sony is going to have supply problems now because they were only planning on winning 60% of the market or something, possibly not prepared for the 90% market share like they're getting. So if they're already going to sell out, no reason to sell out that much sooner or later

Just got this...

Apologies if this is a repost:



The PS4 is tiny compared to the Xbox One.

Tuco_sl said:

What's funny about all of this is that I feel like no used-game sales / sharing etc is the future of the gaming/media industry and MS is just one generation ahead of the curve. However they are making it easier for future companies to trend toward that model. In the next gen sony could go always-on, no disk, no sharing etc partially thanks to MS taking the bullet now, but for today they're making bank off of MS' decision.

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I listened to Total biscuits talk on it yesterday. (which he made months ago).

He made some good points.
I'm not entirely sure the cause/correlation between steam sales,GoGprices and no used game sales is entirely sound. but it might be.
And you do have to wonder why people are cheering for a Gamestop victory. They are worse for the game industry AND consumer then EA+Activision together.

hehehe ><