The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !
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Lenas
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Cost to MS is higher, but the cost to the consumer is lower. They're already going to be pushing the price range of what we think is acceptable.
OnLive already does this, that's how you can play high end games on low end devices. It's also exactly what Gaikai is going to be doing for the PS4 when they stream backwards compatible PS3 games. It doesn't require fiber bandwidth connections, either. OnLive requirement is 2Mb/s which is only 256kb/s - that's everything, including graphics.
Onlive and Gaikai are impressive, but they're way too laggy. I wouldn't want to play an fps game, a fighting game, a racing game, or any other type of game that relies on quick reactions through either service.
Vaclav
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Are they really or are you speaking of your connection? If you've got 15 ms each way it shouldn't be too bad in theory unless they take a while to process (thats my current normal ping myself now) - but on the other hand 125ms (my Comcast ping pre-FiOS) going both ways could get quite painful quickly.
Last time I tried Onlive was on my 50meg down/10meg up cable connection last year. I used to get pings of 10-12 in Counter Strike when playing on UK servers. It was still laggy.
My current ADSL connection is much slower - I regularly get pings of 30 when playing CS online. No idea how well Onlive/Gaikai would work on this connection.
Lenas
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It renders at 720p, but my argument isn't making a case for graphics. I'm trying to make a case for background processing that the player wouldn't actually notice but could take a large load off of the console's processing.
So you're sidestepping my argument, which was for background things like AI decisions. You only notice the lag on quick reactions and button presses. You wouldn't notice the 3ms difference between an AI processed by your console deciding to move and the AI processed by the cloud deciding to move.Cor_sl said:
Where the hell are you in relation to the server that you are getting a 15ms ping consistently? I ask because unless you are next door, it is almost certainly a reporting error. It isn't a question of bandwidth or routers, just that the physics doesn't work.
Let me quote myself --
^ Things that could be done easily in the cloud without people noticing.
I meant that we'd need fiber for rendering graphics and heavier workloads, that's all.
Which is what I said when I posted --
Vaclav
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Depends on the server in question - but I get that with some nearly across the nation with speedtest.net - not sure it's veracity but I always thought it was solid. Drops a bunch for hops that go through the MAE's though, but much of my west coast tracerts seem to avoid them.
Regardless even if I'm wrong on current tech capabilities (I know I get that locally absolutely - locally as in ~100 miles away) tech on such will clearly continue to improve.
Daezuel
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Going to need that in the form of a question please.
Also, Video Daily Double. This device also does this besides play games. (seems like a good time to repost this already)
Well Vaclav, look at it this way. Ping is a round trip so you really are looking at 7.5ms to get to the server.
If you completely and absolutely ignore routing, packet processing, computations, dropped packets etc plus have a mythical carrier medium that is laid arrow straight and works at the speed of light (impossible actually but that's another matter) then you could have a server ~1400 miles away and get a 15ms ping without Einstein rising from the grave and throttling you.
Obviously reality isnot even closeto that fundamental limit.
No big deal though, just a note not to take super-low pings too seriously. It is like a spike on a torrent where your client thinks it is getting 7.2Tb/s for a little while.
If you completely and absolutely ignore routing, packet processing, computations, dropped packets etc plus have a mythical carrier medium that is laid arrow straight and works at the speed of light (impossible actually but that's another matter) then you could have a server ~1400 miles away and get a 15ms ping without Einstein rising from the grave and throttling you.
Obviously reality isnot even closeto that fundamental limit.
No big deal though, just a note not to take super-low pings too seriously. It is like a spike on a torrent where your client thinks it is getting 7.2Tb/s for a little while.
I never expected Daezeul to be an RSS feed of a PS4 shill.
We get it. You don't like the xBONE, give it like a one day rest. You are resposting your own stuff now ....
We get it. You don't like the xBONE, give it like a one day rest. You are resposting your own stuff now ....
Umm yeah, I posted here and then when I saw you were active in IRC I repated it.
What are you proving here?
Vaclav
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They said negative to it before that the only special protections were online passes and the like that the hardware didn't get directly involved with. And have had a recent statement since the X-1 release reaffirming.