The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !

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Before some dickless fuck-ass jumps in and say's but but your phone has a camera and a mic. A phone is easily moved an xbox is not. But that's not the main problem the scariest thing is the Kinect is an EXTREMELY good camera and mic. T

The potential control the government could have over you is astounding. From knowing which ugly slut your sleeping with to you're mood whilst watching TV or the gay guy that fondles you while you sleep in a nice cosy room with blue bed covers whilst dozing off too queer eye for the straight guy because it's your favourite show with your man but he always pretends he doesn't like it, you know he's just lying though because you know him so well that he can never lie to except that time he slept with that mexican on his away trip with his dance class. Fucking ass hole.
 

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Read the wording of Phil Harrison's response here very carefully

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-and-red-rings

Eurogamer: Yep, the stuff on the magic of algorithm and data collection and so on - how are you dealing with people's privacy concerns about that? I mean, presumably you're using anonymous data to improve Kinect over time?

Phil Harrison: Yep. Microsoft has very, very good policies around privacy. We're a leader in the world of privacy, I think you'll find. We take it very seriously. We aren't using Kinect to snoop on anybody at all. We listen for the word 'Xbox on' and then switch on the machine, but we don't transmit personal data in any way, shape or form that could be personally identifiable to you, unless you explicitly opt into that.
They're always listening in case you want to turn the system on, but not transmitting the personal data in any way, shape or formthat could be personally identifiable to you unless you explicitly opt into that.

And of course, when they ask if you want to opt into "that" they aren't going to explicitly say they're recording everything you do and say and saving it on a harddrive somewhere in Redmond, instead they're going to phrase it something like this

Would you like to to send Microsoft Xbox One and Kinect information that will allow us to better communicate great deals and offers on the new Xbox One Live to you?
To which almost everyone will say yes as a matter of course.

I find Microsoft does this alot, says one thing in a sentence, then immediately contradicts it in the same sentence. This is a good case of that. "We're not snooping on anyone...BUT...we are listening all the time in case you need to turn the system on...BUT....we're not sending any of that data back to Microsoft.....well...in any way that's personally identifiable. Unless you opt in for that, of course.
 

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Now, in the process of gathering all this information in order to advertise to you, Microsoft will be gathering a treasure trove of visual and sound based data about WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR HOME.
lol @ treasure trove
 

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Why wouldn't the NSA just listen to you through your smart phone? What is all this paranoid bullshit about kinect, when all you al queda mother fuckers walk around with listening devices already in your fucking pocket?
 

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Why wouldn't the NSA just listen to you through your smart phone? What is all this paranoid bullshit about kinect, when all you al queda mother fuckers walk around with listening devices already in your fucking pocket?
Yup. Millions of people out there with Windows laptops with cameras but the Kinect is the issue ....
 

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I enjoy reading solutions of "put tape over it", "put white noise", "face it to a picture frame", "put a sheet over it".

At what point do you just say "Fuck, you know, I shouldn't have to do this to play a game"?
 

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I just want my console to be a console, i dont want it listening, or talking to me or telling me what kind of coffee and condoms would best go with my mood for the day. I want my console to turn on play games and shut the fuck up, while hearing nothing. I dont mind sticking to disc forever, its never bothered me before and it wont later. Sure red ring of death can suck but they can just make the drive removable/replaceable also. My PS3 has /never/ had a problem reading disc, but out of 5 xbox 360s 2 have had issues with 1 of them being the slim version.

also

NeoGAF member Cyborg posted the picture below from a Media Markt store in Amsterdam, Netherlands. It pinpoints the release date for the console as November 13, 2013. Others in the thread point to European online outlets that also have the date pegged for November 13, 2013.
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a_skeleton_03

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Here is the thing I debated with on IRC with Sean and he doesn't agree but we shall see if other people agree.

They are pushing the Kinect because with it being optional nobody will buy it and therefore the games made for it will get very little funding because it's a small portion of that market exclusive to one console only so no multi platform either. The only chance they have of good games coming out for the Kinect is making it mandatory on every console made. The only way you get "innovation" is by forcing it.

The reason you use AC in your house is because it was forced on you despite DC being the better option. Have we learned nothing from Edison and Tesla? The people that push something new and have the money to back it are the ones that win. Sure there is no such thing as a good Kinect game now but if it's guaranteed to be on every single Xbox sold then developers will start making games because why not. Will they be good? Nobody knows.
 

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Because the Kinect has a much better camera and microphone that will be set up to perfectly record the busiest room in your home?

Because its not just about the potential for future government abuse of the data being collected, but its also about Microsoft's already stated intent to abuse the feature in order to profit off information they garner from your home, as well as the potential for someone malicious to crack unified hardware and software like this that will be so similar across so many homes.

There's literally no plus to this whole always on kinect thing, why would anyone want to defend it? You tell me this: Who owns the video and sound recordings of what is going on in MY HOME when that data is saved to Microsoft's servers? Who gets to profit off reselling that information? Do I? No? Then there's another reason to be concerned with this.

Some of us aren't comfortable giving a corporation with a shitty track record like Microsoft, and governments who've already been shown to abuse that trust repeatedly, that much access to our homes and lives. There's nothing paranoid about it.

The point? People need to at least be INFORMED that these types of possibilities are inherent in purchasing an Xbox 1 BEFORE they purchase it and agree to all the stupid things they'll AUTOMATICALLY AGREE TO so they can play their brand new, $500 dollar console when they open it up and plug it in.

Yup. Millions of people out there with Windows laptops with cameras but the Kinect is the issue ....
Except laptop cameras aren't....

1. Usually in an optimal place in a main room of the house to record everything going on there
2. Can be turned off and removed and the laptop will still work
3. Don't have near the resolution or broad picture scope
4. Have inferior microphones

Of course part of why they made Kinect mandatory was because it wouldn't sell otherwise. It wouldn't sell otherwise and they need it to sell, because they want to use it to target advertising and monetize that segment of the market for their own coffers. None of this, of course, is a good thing, and we shouldn't be knowingly supporting it.

Gaige lols at conspiracy theorists. What conspiracy? Microsoft has been quoted directly, by me, in this thread, stating that their intention is to use Kinect to collect data for advertising, and your only option in the matter is whether your data is "anonimized" or not. No conspiracy necessary. Try reading a little better next time.

I just want my console to be a console, i dont want it listening, or talking to me or telling me what kind of coffee and condoms would best go with my mood for the day. I want my console to turn on play games and shut the fuck up, while hearing nothing.
Exactly.

Don't give them any?
There are 15,000 federal crimes on the book, plus. No one knows how many. You could and very probably are in violation of one of them right this second, without even knowing it. So your argument is bad, and is a dysphemistic attempt to slander people you don't agree with by comparing them to criminals.
 

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Watch your bandwidth, do you really think nobody will notice HD video of them being uploaded 24/7? I don't think you are thinking this through.

No company in their right mind is going to want that bandwidth and storage bill for jack and shit.
 

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Here is the thing I debated with on IRC with Sean and he doesn't agree but we shall see if other people agree.

They are pushing the Kinect because with it being optional nobody will buy it and therefore the games made for it will get very little funding because it's a small portion of that market exclusive to one console only so no multi platform either. The only chance they have of good games coming out for the Kinect is making it mandatory on every console made. The only way you get "innovation" is by forcing it.

The reason you use AC in your house is because it was forced on you despite DC being the better option. Have we learned nothing from Edison and Tesla? The people that push something new and have the money to back it are the ones that win. Sure there is no such thing as a good Kinect game now but if it's guaranteed to be on every single Xbox sold then developers will start making games because why not. Will they be good? Nobody knows.
Thing is, we(i know i dont) dont care. To some motion games may seem cool and they make some awesome games for it, but to others we generally have no interest in the concept AT ALL. Even if they make some awesome games,..so what? They will have awesome games without the need to wave your arms around like tards too. This shit should have remained optional and thats just how it is. Developers not getting funding for it? sounds like a problem that should not be forced on us b/c the kinect is shit and people dont want it.
 

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Thing is, we(i know i dont) dont care. To some motion games may seem cool and they make some awesome games for it, but to others we generally have no interest in the concept AT ALL. Even if they make some awesome games,..so what? They will have awesome games without the need to wave your arms around like tards too. This shit should have remained optional and thats just how it is. Developers not getting funding for it? sounds like a problem that should not be forced on us b/c the kinect is shit and people dont want it.
Yeah everyone said that when the Wii came out and they genuinely had a good time with it until they started expecting more out of their games and wanted "gamer" type games on the Wii instead of just fun games for kids and parties. MS "could" bring that level of fun to parties and kids. They know though it will never happen unless they force the issue.
 

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Watch your bandwidth, do you really think nobody will notice HD video of them being uploaded 24/7? I don't think you are thinking this through.

No company in their right mind is going to want that bandwidth and storage bill for jack and shit.
They won't transfer the actual recording, but they will record what you are doing and send it in text. i.e., it sees you're eating doritos, it will send "you're eating doritos at this time", etc.

Consumer info is what makes them money. Google gets theirs from search, Apple gets theirs from iOS devices. Anything done to Windows will be scrutinized by EU, and Microsoft needs something else to keep themselves in the game.
 

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They won't transfer the actual recording, but they will record what you are doing and send it in text. i.e., it sees you're eating doritos, it will send "you're eating doritos at this time", etc.

Consumer info is what makes them money. Google gets theirs from search, Apple gets theirs from iOS devices. Anything done to Windows will be scrutinized by EU, and Microsoft needs something else to keep themselves in the game.
We have proof of this conspiracy or just patents on what-ifs?
 

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Gaige lols at conspiracy theorists. What conspiracy? Microsoft has been quoted directly, by me, in this thread, stating that their intention is to use Kinect to collect data for advertising, and your only option in the matter is whether your data is "anonimized" or not. No conspiracy necessary. Try reading a little better next time.
Like Google already does? If there is going to be advertising on Xbox Live I'd rather it be shit I'm interested in/might actually purchase. I have no problem with the Kinect being in my house because I have nothing to hide and I don't give a fuck if it scans my living room and shows me advertisements for beanbags that match my sectional.

The conspiracy theory comment was your insane drivel about the NSA and the government swooping in and demanding that Microsoft let them watch what is happening in your living room on a Wednesday night. My guess is no one gives a fuck what you're doing, at all.
 

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Gaige's argument has now boiled down to "Well if you're going to rape me in the ass, I'd at least prefer some astroglide and a reach around"

Derp.

I have nothing to hide
So you know every single one of the 15000 federal crimes on the book currently?

Its really funny that you call it conspiracy theory drivel when we have the US government flat out admitting to accessing Google et al's targeted advertising, search, gps and other data at will for their purposes as they desire.

Really I mean how fucking blind stupid can you get?

http://www.wired.com/politics/securi.../2006/05/70886

The most common retort against privacy advocates -- by those in favor of ID checks, cameras, databases, data mining and other wholesale surveillance measures -- is this line: "If you aren't doing anything wrong, what do you have to hide?"

Some clever answers: "If I'm not doing anything wrong, then you have no cause to watch me." "Because the government gets to define what's wrong, and they keep changing the definition." "Because you might do something wrong with my information." My problem with quips like these -- as right as they are -- is that they accept the premise that privacy is about hiding a wrong. It's not. Privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.

Two proverbs say it best: Quis custodiet custodes ipsos? ("Who watches the watchers?") and "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Cardinal Richelieu understood the value of surveillance when he famously said, "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." Watch someone long enough, and you'll find something to arrest -- or just blackmail -- with. Privacy is important because without it, surveillance information will be abused: to peep, to sell to marketers and to spy on political enemies -- whoever they happen to be at the time.

Privacy protects us from abuses by those in power, even if we're doing nothing wrong at the time of surveillance.

We do nothing wrong when we make love or go to the bathroom. We are not deliberately hiding anything when we seek out private places for reflection or conversation. We keep private journals, sing in the privacy of the shower, and write letters to secret lovers and then burn them. Privacy is a basic human need.
Privacy is NOT about wanting the right to hide bad things and actions away from others. It is a basic human need and right.