Grimmlokk
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The Big Bad Console Thread - Sway your Station with an Xboner !
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Gorestabb
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Microsoft U-turn in Xbox One games row
Microsoft has made a dramatic U-turn over its decision to impose restrictions on pre-owned titles on its new Xbox One console.
The company had said it would restrict the free trade of pre-owned games, and that an internet connection was required to play all titles.
But following gamers' anger, Microsoft said it would drop the policies.
Microsoft has made a dramatic U-turn over its decision to impose restrictions on pre-owned titles on its new Xbox One console.
The company had said it would restrict the free trade of pre-owned games, and that an internet connection was required to play all titles.
But following gamers' anger, Microsoft said it would drop the policies.
Cantatus
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Microsoft wanted to adopt where PC gaming has gone the past few years, but they implemented everything that would benefit them and few things that would benefit the customer. When they took that model and stripped out everything that makes it palpable on PC, it really shouldn't have been surprising that there was such backlash.
And that's why those articles are ridiculous. Microsoft could've very well come up with a model that was appealing. They had a chance to take all the feedback they've gotten over the past few weeks and retool the system so the customer got more benefit out of these changes. We didn't make Microsoft "retreat to the past." Microsoft had many options available to them. The fact that they were lazy and reverted to the 360 model says more about them than it does about us.
Nice, you found at least 4 "news" outlets that are being paid off by MS. That or they are complete morons, in either case they all went down a few pegs as far as I'm concerned.
The funny thing is all this does is prove Microsoft was adding these features purely for financial gain. They are openly admitting it. It shows Microsoft lacks integrity. They didn't truly believe this was the future they just thought they could get away with it. In today's day and age with big corporations running everything this is a big win for consumers. Whoever thinks having 24 hour check ins is the future of gaming is absolutely fucken kidding themselves. If people want to be online all the time they simply will be. 24 hour check ins is a restriction not an opening of options.
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Siliconemelons
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I love the interview that was posted - where the guy asked the MS guy about why the online check was there and why they don't just disable it and the MS guy was like "Its not that easy, are you a programmer? do you KNOW its just like switch to turn it off?! no okay..."
well...apparently it is... I surely hope they still get dominated by the PS4... xbone still lets the NSA into your living room... I do not know how anyone can sign up for that shit.
well...apparently it is... I surely hope they still get dominated by the PS4... xbone still lets the NSA into your living room... I do not know how anyone can sign up for that shit.
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The damage has already been done. No one wants that shit and barely anyone is going to care that they can trade games now. That shit struck a nerve with rabid XBox fans and turned them over to Sony. Surely they held a focus group and that focus group collectively screamed " WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT" and they ignored it. No one outside of the Microsoft bubble filled with lollipops and candy thought this was a good idea. I literally did not read a single article, hear a single comment, or see a single ounce of anything relating to a positive stance on their dumbass idea. There's a spot for this system, right next to the ET cartridges.
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I don't get why they did the full reversal, they could have ran with something in the middle. Maybe a change along the lines of requiring an activation for the game, but anything after that can be played offline. The server keeps track of which account/Xbone that owns the copy, when someone else tries to activate for the first time on the console it'll say it's denied because it belongs to another system. Give the player the ability to "free" the copy to sell it, or the ability to loan it to someone else. The 24 hour check in was overkill, so were the region locks. There was definitely room for some balance in there.
It's definitely something they can phase in over time, but so could Sony. I'm really hoping that some console this generation ends up Steam like, and I have a lot more confidence in Sony getting it right at this point than Microsoft.
It's definitely something they can phase in over time, but so could Sony. I'm really hoping that some console this generation ends up Steam like, and I have a lot more confidence in Sony getting it right at this point than Microsoft.
I keep hearing this and yet I can't find any information to back this up. Does Microsoft comply to the NSA? Sure, but no where does it state that the Xbox was designed to be a government window into your home. Besides, you're on the fucking internet. I pretty positive that the NSA knows everything about you by now. Which btw, all the consoles will be able to get on this said internet so I hope you are ready to never connect to it.
It feels like I'm in some type of bubble of ignorance where a whole group of people gather to hate on Microsoft and off in the corner some guy says "Hey! What if that camera is put there for Microsoft to see when you masturbate? And then tells Obama so he can keep a record of it." Then Billy Bob goes "Yeah! And then the government will try to tell you how and when you can masturbate. I will not allow Microsoft to tell me when I can masturbate!" Now the whole crowd is in a big chant on not being told when to masturbate. People begin masturbating in this crowd, masturbating each other, masturbating dogs, someone's grandfather from the war gets in with the freedom of masturbating and the entire time Microsoft is looking on with a "seriously" look on their face.
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fanaskin
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I think it's like burying your head in the sand to assume even though something can be done it just isn't becauseInever heard about it.
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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...eus-tv-remote/
Earlier this month, Petraeus mused about the emergence of an "Internet of Things" - that is, wired devices - at a summit for In-Q-Tel, the CIA's venture capital firm. "'Transformational' is an overused word, but I do believe it properly applies to these technologies," Petraeus enthused, "particularly to their effect on clandestine tradecraft."
All those new online devices are a treasure trove of data if you're a "person of interest" to the spy community. Once upon a time, spies had to place a bug in your chandelier to hear your conversation. With the rise of the "smart home," you'd be sending tagged, geolocated data that a spy agency can intercept in real time when you use the lighting app on your phone to adjust your living room's ambiance.
"Items of interest will be located, identified, monitored, and remotely controlled through technologies such as radio-frequency identification, sensor networks, tiny embedded servers, and energy harvesters - all connected to the next-generation internet using abundant, low-cost, and high-power computing," Petraeus said, "the latter now going to cloud computing, in many areas greater and greater supercomputing, and, ultimately, heading to quantum computing."
Petraeus allowed that these household spy devices "change our notions of secrecy" and prompt a rethink of "our notions of identity and secrecy." All of which is true - if convenient for a CIA director.
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It's definatly going in that direction, I think in a capitalist society the only influence you really have is choosing what you do and do not support with your money, I think microsoft as earned enough of a bad rep to teach them a lesson by stinging their wallet.
I'm naive enough to think other wise. But openly admitting it is a whole different story,
I mean the only thing I can think of is that their pre-orders were WAY below expectations. That's seriously the only thing I can think of that would prompt them to make such a drastic decision.
I also agree Sony will head the Steam route much faster then Microsoft. Sony has backed the future of indie gaming and isome of the new features on PS network point in the direction of steam with the ability to play while still downloading the rest of the game. If anything Sony is making a bigger push for digital distribution just in the right way. The funny thing is that in the bigger asian countries Internet is much better then the US and yet Sony was still smart enough to realise globally the world just isn't ready for always online.
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Of the 9 major corporations to sign onto the NSA program, Microsoft was the first.
If that doesn't speak volumes to you, nothing will.
Added: As for WHY Microsoft would do it:
The reason Microsoft wants always on Kinect in the home is because Kinect can literally recognize products in your home, and then use algorithms to send you targeted advertising related to products in your home. I don't give a fuck if Microsoft watches me masturbate. I do care that they can look at objects in my house and then gear advertising to me.
Now, in the process of gathering all this information in order to advertise to you, Microsoft will be gathering a treasure trove of visual and sound based data about WHAT YOU DO IN YOUR HOME. Its already been shown that the government has backdoors into all this technology. They can turn your Ipad or Iphone's microphones and cameras on and record you, through the internet. This has already been shown to be true, already been admitted to by Petraeus and others.
The government, knowing this treasure trove of data is there, WILL subpoena it at some point to use against someone in some way. Period. It will happen. It already has with cell phone and gps technology and google searches, all data collected for virtually the same purpose, targeted advertising, but then co-opted by the Feds for use in prosecuting people.
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My wife has consistently said things like this. And for the last couple years I have over and over had to say "Whereas it's technically possible there's no way the government would actually be doing this shit".
Then consistently within a few months I have to live through the "I told you" conversation. Every single damn time......
Knowing what the technology can do I agree, there is no reason to ever have an always on camera or mic in your house unless you want things piped out.
hodj
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I'm really not some anti government nutbag teatard either bro, but I do have limits and putting a live mic and camera in my home that Microsoft's magic "cloud" could potentially be recording literally every single thing that goes on in my home is too much for me. Its just too much. People can act like I"m paranoid all they want, its a line in the sand that I won't cross. People have to have some degree of self respect. Petreaus is out there saying the government's goal is to destroy privacy as a concept, and you can't get more privacy destroying than what Microsoft has proposed with Kinect.
And just in case someone wants to play the willful ignorance game and claim they'd never do it
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/wo...sers-your-home
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/15/m...-might-tailor/
They've already flat out said that the entire point of Kinect is to do exactly this.
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Putting electrical tape over mine, f that. On another note, XBox1-80 has taken top selling video game spot on Amazon.
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