The Dallas Cowboys Memorial (2015 Off-Season) Thread

RG3's rookie year reminded me of when a backup QB comes in and plays really well for a short period of time. They play well because the opponent doesn't have enough game film to study them and devise a counter strategy. So they play generically and sometimes predictably because they don't know the faults. Foles is going to be the same way. Where he had one good year but it won't happen again. RG3 also came in at the right time when this breed of mobile QB was sexy but like the Wildcat it flashed in the pan and no one wants that shit anymore unless that person is Wilson.

If the Bills want someone playing that style of QB they already added Tyrod Taylor in the offseason who hasn't been chewed up and spit out already.

Kedwyn_sl said:

Yeah you're crazy if you think RG3 has any value.

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Here's the thing...I'll use Buffalo again just because I know the team. He is MUCH better than anything that they currently have on their roster, or will be available via the draft or market anytime soon. If ol' boy in San Diego Rivers gets out some how, then ya. Take that man and ride him till he dies.

So you take a swing at a guy like RG3 if he becomes available. Or HOPE you can pick up a lucky Bridgewater pick, the next few years? Buffalo is a GOOD team with no QB. You take chances. Playing it safe means you stay 8/8 another 10 years.

Just stay middle of the road with that roster and no QB? Remain nothing until Belichick retires (Not Brady mind you), and battle it out for the less shitty of the shitty in the AFC East at that time?

I do accept that people picked up on the RG3, Kaeperbro QB's, and defend accordingly...No doubt. BUT unless you have the top 5 QB's lets say, you're honestly fucked for any SB run in all honesty. Flacco being the exception probably. So go the next tier down for QB's. Those would be the flawed and injury prone. Snag him, try and catch lightning in a bottle a couple years and make a run.

OR keep that 2nd round pick...and have zero chance of even winning the division.

Now if you think RG3 is that bad...then ya, what I say makes zero sense. 1 good healthy year. 2 bad injured. I'd take a flyer on him. I'd give up a 2nd NP at all.

None of those "top QB's" were accquired through trades though. They were drafted. Manning is an exception, but that situation is not going to happen almost ever.

Its just really hard to imagine RG3 being worth a second rounder at this point versus a random free agent, even like Cassell. RG3 looks like dogshit and he's been put through the ringer physically, mentally on a bad squad and he comes with a bunch of drama and media circus. If he was a FA I wouldn't blame a team for wanting him but in a trade? I say you're better off drafting a lineman, pass rusher or CB on almost every team.

Getting a second rounder out of RGKnee as it stands would be a miracle in itself. Someone phone up Al Davis!!!

Brahma_sl said:

I don't know man...That 1st year he threw a pretty looking ball when he was in the pocket. 20/5 TD/INT 65% completion. I'd give an early 2nd late 1st for him. I can't find stats of what was in vs out the pocket for pass completions, but I remember seeing no less than 5 games with him and Luck and they looked awesome. I'd say RG3 looked better IMO. (NOT NOW before yoll start it up)

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This is a very complicated argument, and there's like a 200 something page thread on ExtremeSkins about it.

He's not a good pocket passer because he can't get comfortable in the pocket; flushing himself out even when the line is blocking well. This is demonstrated by the fact that with the same line, he had about double the number of sacks per attempt as Cousins/McCoy. Not only that, but his stats the first year were bolstered by the fact that he was essentially playing 10 men on defense because everyone was scared of him running. Now that he can't (and because coaches aren't going to call an option offense), he has to play against full strength defenses. In the end, he hasn't made any significant progress as a pocket or progression passer. Everything in the first year was an illusion. People are hoping that with another year of work hemight start to get it, but even the most diehard RG3 fans have finally admitted he's not good right now. They just hang onto the potential since he's obviously a gifted athlete.

Elurin_sl said:

Everything in the first year was an illusion.

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You know, I said the same thing after his Rookie year and got crucified back at the old FOH boards.

moontayle_sl said:

You know, I said the same thing after his Rookie year and got crucified back at the old FOH boards.

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I mean, the dude is a freak athlete. You can't deny that. He was successful in college because he could just out perform everyone else on the field. Unfortunately, that's almost everyone in the NFL so it stops working.

It also means he never developed the skills a quarterback needs to be successful in the NFL like progressing through reads, working on footwork, and pocket awareness. RG3 fans (I separate them from Redskins fans) think that he'll finally get it one day. Most of us have seen too much poor play in 3 years to think he'll ever succeed.

His rookie year wasn't an illusion, Shanny found a gem in Alfred Morris and the O line wasn't mostly terrible that year (seriously, check out how Morris' numbers have fallen off, of course a lot of that is the lack of threat of RG3 running too). The read option as they were executing it had teams leaving big gaps on play action that allowed RG3 to really hit wide open targets. He can throw a pretty deep ball (emphasis on can...doesn't always do it), but as a pure pocket passer he's shown he really has a lot to work on. Couple with all the friction that went on about him not wanting to run as much coming off the injury, arguments with the Shannys, was doomed to go downhill. Who knows if he can really improve as a pocket passer in 2nd year of Gruden's system, not having a freak ankle injury and missing 6 weeks would help.

Bob Kraft took the stand in the Hernandez trial this morning. Basically said nothing of interest, but interesting he was actually there testifying.

Azeth_sl said:

Bob Kraft took the stand in the Hernandez trial this morning. Basically said nothing of interest, but interesting he was actually there testifying.

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He probably didn't have a choice?

Who called him to the stand?

Muurloen_sl said:

Who called him to the stand?

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The prosecution.

Tenks_sl said:

He probably didn't have a choice?

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I understand he didn't have a choice. it's interesting that the owner of the team, who had probably 2 hours of total contact with hernandez over his multiple seasons in NE, was called.

It'd be logical to put BB on the stand if you were to pick anyone from the Patriots.

Azeth_sl said:

It'd be logical to put BB on the stand if you were to pick anyone from the Patriots.

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Yeah.

"Mr. Belichick, what do you know of Mr. Hernandez's whereabouts on the night in question"

"We are onto Cincinnati"

Are you guys following a twitter or something for updates on the trial?