The Dallas Cowboys Memorial (2015 Off-Season) Thread
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Merrith
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Is Russell Wilson elite? Trying to become the highest paid QB... just has me wondering how good is he really. Would he transform a mediocre team to a good team? Could he bring a bad team to the playoffs?
Gankak
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Does a bad offense count? Because minus Marshawn our offense is pretty fucking below average.
moontayle
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One of the things I like about the Cowboys bloggers over at SB Nation is that a couple of them do a really good job of putting things into perspective, essentially comparing current Cowboys players to their contemporaries around the league. Usually by combining stats gathered via PFF, PFR and other places to paint a larger picture that doesn't just reinforce a viewpoint. One of them is some sort of math guru and yesterday hepenned an articleabout "Elite" qbs and how that perception has changed over the years.
Anyway, PFR has a system that removes the "era" equation and defines a QB based upon how good he was relative to the other QBs of that time, taking data from 1955 up until now as long as they played at least 40 games and had over 800 pass attempts.
Top of the overall list is Rodgers but he's got a lot of time left in this league so that might change. Next four are, in order, Young, Montana, Staubach, and Dawson. Which just reinforces how good the 49ers had it during that stretch. But if you remove the retired players from the list, the top five is Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Romo, Brees. 6th is Wilson. So while it's only 3 years of data to work with, but at least by one standard Wilson is up there with the best in the league. In other words... pay the man.
Anyway, PFR has a system that removes the "era" equation and defines a QB based upon how good he was relative to the other QBs of that time, taking data from 1955 up until now as long as they played at least 40 games and had over 800 pass attempts.
Top of the overall list is Rodgers but he's got a lot of time left in this league so that might change. Next four are, in order, Young, Montana, Staubach, and Dawson. Which just reinforces how good the 49ers had it during that stretch. But if you remove the retired players from the list, the top five is Rodgers, Manning, Brady, Romo, Brees. 6th is Wilson. So while it's only 3 years of data to work with, but at least by one standard Wilson is up there with the best in the league. In other words... pay the man.
BrutulTM
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Wilson was 20th in the league in completion percentage last year, 15th in passing yards, 8th in yards per attempt, 16th in touchdowns, 23rd in yards/game. The only stat that he is "elite" in is rushing yards. Obviously he's not a stand in the pocket type of QB and his qualities are a little tougher to measure but as a passer his numbers are mediocre at best.
I think it's too early to rule on his elite status until we see him on a team that doesn't have a dominant running game and an awesome defense but I wouldn't consider him a top 5 guy even though he makes a lot of those lists. I thought this year might answer it when it looked like Lynch was going to leave but it looks like Wilson will be protected again.
I think it's too early to rule on his elite status until we see him on a team that doesn't have a dominant running game and an awesome defense but I wouldn't consider him a top 5 guy even though he makes a lot of those lists. I thought this year might answer it when it looked like Lynch was going to leave but it looks like Wilson will be protected again.
jeffvader
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it's official, 2 games per year in london by 2018.
http://www.espnfc.com/tottenham-hots...at-new-stadium
also, wilson has that undefinable quality you need in a qb. call it what you will, he's a winner.
http://www.espnfc.com/tottenham-hots...at-new-stadium
also, wilson has that undefinable quality you need in a qb. call it what you will, he's a winner.
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I don't really believe in such things as undefinable qualities but I think Wilson falls into that "good enough" category where once you have that guy you just have to pay the price to keep him. I think he may actually be a little better than that even, but I'm not sure. My perception of him is he's very accurate and good at reading the field but I'm not really backing that up with anything.
He's also one of the best elusive QBs and possibly the best improv QB in the league. He's the reason teams can't stack the box against Lynch.
jeffvader
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ffs sake man, are you taking the win away from your own team? i'm not going to argue semantics but leading your team to the superbowl 2 out of three years in the league and losing the divisional playoff game your rookie year doesn't sound like a loser to me.
moontayle
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This. For the teams that have franchise QBs, they spend the most on that investment. Seattle won't let him walk. If they do I guarantee a team like Buffalo will snatch him up, pay him market rate, and never think twice about doing it.
Royal
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The newly penned (Cam) Newton's Law of NFL Gravity.
The differences being Seattle is a better run franchise than the Panthers, Wilson is a slightly better QB than Cam who already has a ring which is one more than Newton will likely ever have.
In short ...
BrutulTM
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I agree with this, they have to pay him. It seems like these days if your QB is a competent starter in the NFL you have to pay him big bucks because there just aren't enough of those guys to go around. I also supported the 49ers paying Kaepernick because the question isn't really whether he's "worth" 20 million but who can you get to replace him that's better and for most teams in the NFL the answer is nobody unless you have a top 5 pick in the draft next year.
Gravel
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Lifelong Washington Warriors fan here.
Always had a soft spot for the Chargers though. I'm not sure why, but I think it's just because they seem like bastards without any real fans.
I'm hoping they get moved up to LA to make it easier to see games (although I'm still waiting for a damn Redskins away game versus the Chargers).
Always had a soft spot for the Chargers though. I'm not sure why, but I think it's just because they seem like bastards without any real fans.
I'm hoping they get moved up to LA to make it easier to see games (although I'm still waiting for a damn Redskins away game versus the Chargers).
Fadaar
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Buccaneers CB CJ Wilson suffers hand injury in fireworks mishap - CBSSports.com
Got a Bleacher Report notice on my phone saying he blew off two of his fingers. What the fuck people? Luckily he isn't near as important to the team as JPP is to the Giants.
Got a Bleacher Report notice on my phone saying he blew off two of his fingers. What the fuck people? Luckily he isn't near as important to the team as JPP is to the Giants.
Alex
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The Bengals are playing at Oakland and Santa Clara this year and I'm fucking stoked. Really looking forward to that Oakland game. It's Week 1 so the Black Hole will be raging.
Fadaar
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Meh he was either last or next to last on the CB depth chart, not really a big deal