The Dallas Cowboys Memorial (2015 Off-Season) Thread
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Grimmlokk
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Really happy with the bears getting fangio for DC, though anything is better than mel tucker at this point.
Gankak
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Kirun
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Which is a fucking joke.
Lynn Swann never even broke 1,000 yards. Shit, the fucker never even broke 900. On top of that, he played a whopping 9 seasons. He's a stellar 107th in career receiving TDs.
I realize some players/stats were a product of their era, but people like Swann and Harris being in the HOF (especially Harris, seeing as how run-happy teams were then) is yet further proof of how goddamn good that defense was. It even tuned average players on theother sideof the ball into HOFers. Stallworth is the only guy who I'd say even has a leg to stand on in that discussion.
Alex
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Andy Dalton: Pro Bowler. Ben Roethlisberger: Not a Pro Bowler.
The Pro Bowl is still relevant, guys.
Grimmlokk
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Swann in the hall is an absolute joke. But Franco Harris was the 2nd all time rusher when he retired, less than 200 yards behind Jim Brown. No brainer. Bradshaw was the QB for 4 Super Bowls, no way he doesn't get in. And the 5th guy is Mike Webster, maybe the best center of all time.
Point isn't that the offense was on par with the D, that would be silly, but the offense wasn't some inept trash heap like the Ravens or Bucs teams were. They were top 5-10 offense in that era and even 1st once in there.
Though I agree it's a very important honor, Dalton is elite as fuck.
Point isn't that the offense was on par with the D, that would be silly, but the offense wasn't some inept trash heap like the Ravens or Bucs teams were. They were top 5-10 offense in that era and even 1st once in there.
Dalton is literally in because Roethlisberger was voted in but isn't going to play=P He's an injury replacement.
Though I agree it's a very important honor, Dalton is elite as fuck.
Merrith
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Receiver stats are REALLY a product of their area though. For reference, Swann's career was from '74-'82...If you just look at the Passing yardage leaders for those seasons, before Dan Fouts led the league 4 straight seasons from '79-'82 (3 of those topping 4,000 yards), the highest passing yardage total of any QB was 3,468 by Tarkenton. The previous 4 years 3,200 was the top number. Compare this to guys throwing for 5k nowadays like it's candy. The top passer in the league hasn't thrown for less than 4,500 since 2006 now.
Swann's lowest yards per catch was 14.4 in any season...if the passing game was anywhere near as evolved and as prevalent as it is in the modern game, he would have broken 1k yards with ease most years.
Not to mention the league played only 14 regular season games the first 4 years of his 9 year career, further lowering his numbers compared to today's players.
Swann deserves to be in the Hall.
Grimmlokk
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Speaking of ancient history, does any team have 3 true HoF tier QB's who played most of their career there besides Green Bay? Starr, Favre, and Rodgers. And Arnie Herber, whoever the fuck that is. I'm not giving too many fucks about 1930's QBs. Was listening to Rich Eisen and they were talking about the Pack QBs and it made me think of it.
The ones with 2(now or probable) that come to mind.
Colts seem like the obvious next possibility. Unitas is in, Peyton will be, and Luck is pretty good at quarterbackening. Still too early though.
Dallas had Staubach and Aikman and I suppose Romo has an outside chance. Especially if he manages a Super Bowl before his spine explodes out his anus at midfield.
Niners with Montana and Young. Still too early to totally write off Kaepernick's HoF chances, but it's unlikely. Y.A. Tittle played the bulk of his career in SF, those teams were shit and he's better known for his last few years in NY. Still, definitely 3 who played most of their career there.
Dolphins had Griese and Marino.
Steelers with Bradshaw and probably Ben, though not a shoe-in at this point.
Chargers have Dan Fouts and I guess Rivers has an outside shot.
Oh, Rams had Norm Van Brocklin and Bob Waterfield back in the day. Add in the possibility of Kurt Warner and that's 3.
OK, good talk everyone.
The ones with 2(now or probable) that come to mind.
Colts seem like the obvious next possibility. Unitas is in, Peyton will be, and Luck is pretty good at quarterbackening. Still too early though.
Dallas had Staubach and Aikman and I suppose Romo has an outside chance. Especially if he manages a Super Bowl before his spine explodes out his anus at midfield.
Niners with Montana and Young. Still too early to totally write off Kaepernick's HoF chances, but it's unlikely. Y.A. Tittle played the bulk of his career in SF, those teams were shit and he's better known for his last few years in NY. Still, definitely 3 who played most of their career there.
Dolphins had Griese and Marino.
Steelers with Bradshaw and probably Ben, though not a shoe-in at this point.
Chargers have Dan Fouts and I guess Rivers has an outside shot.
Oh, Rams had Norm Van Brocklin and Bob Waterfield back in the day. Add in the possibility of Kurt Warner and that's 3.
OK, good talk everyone.
Phazael
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Packers have been insanely lucky with QBs over the years, with even the sub par ones being pretty good. There are two major exceptions to this being Randy Wright and Danny Devine. Honestly if Lynn Dickey had not had his legs broken on opening day in back to back seasons he might have ended up in the HOF as well. Its hard to compare now, but I think Starr was largely the beneficiary of a good coach and system but he did have an excellent tactical mind for the game, so him being in the HOF is in the same category as Swann, i.e. product of the times. But in any case, we have had three QBs earn rings over the years in different decades, which is probably the best thing to be said about the team.
Fadaar
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Brooks and Sapp are already in, and Lynch is a finalist this year. Barber should be a sure lock too once his five years comes up. The only real questionable one is Rice.
Chanur
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As much as it kills me to say so I don't think Rivers or Romo will make the HoF. I think both will have to win a Superbowl to have a shot.