The Documentary Thread

khorum

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Can anyone recommend a good World War I documentary?
A great short documentary series was produced by the BBC about the events that led directly to the Great War called 37 Days. Excellent dramatization but it’s mostly a documentary.

All three episodes are on Dailymotion. They do a fairly good job of explaining how the triggering the Schlieffen Plan pretty much just forced everyone into the war.

 

Lanx

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So tonight I was out at the local food fest they have the last Friday of every month. A radio station plays non-stop 80's and 90's hip hop there. It's not bad all things considered.

Anyway, they interrupted a song to talk about some guy that's present and is doing a Netflix Documentary based on the Accidental Death Missile Incoming warning, and they wanted people that were walking around to tell their stories. And props if you cry. So... Yeah, that hunk of shit is coming.
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Caliane

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Just got to "The staircase"
I see it mentioned a few times in older posts.

Netflix has it now, and three NEW episodes for things that happened in 2016.
So, those of you that were talking about it 2015, and 2016. Theres new episodes.


Also, what a fucking trainwreck.. This was worse then Avery (making a murderer). Alot of sketchy shit with Avery, that generally the best you can say is reasonable doubt. This case... fuck, this dude just seems 100% innocent.
 

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He's such a weird and creepy dude and there doesn't seem to be another explanation outside of falling (which seems really unlikely) for it happening in that timeframe, so its hard for me to conclude innocence on him, but he definitely has no business being convinced on the case they presented (even originally) - so much reasonable doubt in play there, and then after the fact trainwreck that happened I really feel it was slightly insane he was still having to jump through hoops. I won't spoil it for anyone because the new episodes are good and I didn't even know they did 2 follow ups a couple years ago. It was my first super long super serious true crime drama and I'm glad its on netflix for the masses now
 

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The Staircase was interesting to me, not because of the subject matter, but because of the very in-depth look into just what money can provide for your defense. There is just no way a public defender or even reasonably priced attorney could have done what that legal team did. Even just all the pre-trial surveying they did to help them with jury selection criteria...
 

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Regarding The Staircase.. innocent?

Spoilered in case
From an amalgam of sources, I've compiled my list

1. Him and his sons were $143k in credit card debt, while Kathleen had a $1.4M life insurance policy. The documentary claims there was no financial motive, but there was.
2. He was no longer making any money writing and his wife was about to be laid off. Given their lavish lifestyle, this was bad news.
3. Kathleen divorced her previous husband for cheating on her, there is no way she accepted him having extra-marital affairs.
4. In addition to 3, he wasn't forthcoming about these affairs with his own legal team.
5. This is the biggest one for me - the blood was dry and clotting and showed signs of someone attempting to clean it. I know that the defense raised the theory that Kathleen was grasping at the wall and created the smearing, but my thought here is that Michael (or his son) tried to clean it and realized it was a futile effort.
6. Her brain had red neurons. I guess these show up if you're dying a couple hours before you die indicating a slow death. This is something I read and know nothing about, but certainly doesn't line up with the "45 minutes" that Michael claims.
7. She had defensive wounds on her arms and her throat showed signs of strangulation.
8. When first responders tended to Kathleen, Michael went on his PC to check emails. This doesn't prove guilt.. but.. man.

There's a bunch of other stuff too. His German neighbor dying is certainly another big point. He was so shady when that happened, claiming the body heat was "heat from the floor" and not the person still alive. He deleted a lot of files on his PC the day before and the day after the death - could've been porn, who knows?

There's also a fucking stupid theory that is only briefly mentioned in the documentary that an owl flew in and caused the headwounds to Kathleen.

You can see the dude in the first episode changing tenses and offering WAY TOO MUCH information, this is something someone does while trying to cover something up (the dinner plate explanation, etc.).

You guys say it's clear that he's innocent, I say it's clear that this man was rightfully charged.

My theory here is that he tried to strangle her and couldn't do it, so he based her head into the stairs causing massive bleeding and ultimately death.
 

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Regarding The Staircase.. innocent?

Spoilered in case
From an amalgam of sources, I've compiled my list

1. Him and his sons were $143k in credit card debt, while Kathleen had a $1.4M life insurance policy. The documentary claims there was no financial motive, but there was.
2. He was no longer making any money writing and his wife was about to be laid off. Given their lavish lifestyle, this was bad news.
3. Kathleen divorced her previous husband for cheating on her, there is no way she accepted him having extra-marital affairs.
4. In addition to 3, he wasn't forthcoming about these affairs with his own legal team.
5. This is the biggest one for me - the blood was dry and clotting and showed signs of someone attempting to clean it. I know that the defense raised the theory that Kathleen was grasping at the wall and created the smearing, but my thought here is that Michael (or his son) tried to clean it and realized it was a futile effort.
6. Her brain had red neurons. I guess these show up if you're dying a couple hours before you die indicating a slow death. This is something I read and know nothing about, but certainly doesn't line up with the "45 minutes" that Michael claims.
7. She had defensive wounds on her arms and her throat showed signs of strangulation.
8. When first responders tended to Kathleen, Michael went on his PC to check emails. This doesn't prove guilt.. but.. man.

There's a bunch of other stuff too. His German neighbor dying is certainly another big point. He was so shady when that happened, claiming the body heat was "heat from the floor" and not the person still alive. He deleted a lot of files on his PC the day before and the day after the death - could've been porn, who knows?

There's also a fucking stupid theory that is only briefly mentioned in the documentary that an owl flew in and caused the headwounds to Kathleen.

You can see the dude in the first episode changing tenses and offering WAY TOO MUCH information, this is something someone does while trying to cover something up (the dinner plate explanation, etc.).

You guys say it's clear that he's innocent, I say it's clear that this man was rightfully charged.

My theory here is that he tried to strangle her and couldn't do it, so he based her head into the stairs causing massive bleeding and ultimately death.
As someone who actually lives in the area so I've been exposed to the news about it beyond the documentary, my thought is he did in fact kill her but the prosecution so overplayed their case that they screwed up and he eventually went free. They were so desperate to convict that they were willing to say and do anything which in turn led to him not getting a fair trial. Some of it was just plain common sense. I don't know for sure if he was responsible for the German neighbor but what kind of crazy coincidence is it that two women that he knew (and was fairly close to) died the exact same way (which by itself I would think isn't all that common). Also something the documentary doesn't really go into that much (because it's told from his perspective) is there was blood splatter on the ceiling (can't really explain that) and there was blood splatter on the inside of his pants which doesn't jive with how she died.
 

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Watched this the other day


It was interesting to see just how much he doubted his influence, despite the impact he had in many people's lives. It was pretty soft stuff other than that. More of a timeline than anything else.
 
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As someone who actually lives in the area so I've been exposed to the news about it beyond the documentary, my thought is he did in fact kill her but the prosecution so overplayed their case that they screwed up and he eventually went free. They were so desperate to convict that they were willing to say and do anything which in turn led to him not getting a fair trial. Some of it was just plain common sense. I don't know for sure if he was responsible for the German neighbor but what kind of crazy coincidence is it that two women that he knew (and was fairly close to) died the exact same way (which by itself I would think isn't all that common). Also something the documentary doesn't really go into that much (because it's told from his perspective) is there was blood splatter on the ceiling (can't really explain that) and there was blood splatter on the inside of his pants which doesn't jive with how she died.
Well, I think they did talk about the blood in his pants when they discredited Deaver because that was part of his testimony (and the cheering dance). I do agree the prosecution bumbled the case. They focused on a weapon that was absolutely not the murder weapon.
 

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Bit of a necro on this thread:

Anyone caught the Fyre and Fyre Fraud documentaries? I just watched Fyre Fraud and holy shit people are just so fucking stupid nowadays buying into all this social media shit.

Jesus they even said Escobar owned Normans' Cay, anyone with the remotest knowledge about drugs can tell you Carlos Ledher owned that island.

People are so dumb now it's literally unreal.
 

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Bit of a necro on this thread:

Anyone caught the Fyre and Fyre Fraud documentaries? I just watched Fyre Fraud and holy shit people are just so fucking stupid nowadays buying into all this social media shit.

Jesus they even said Escobar owned Normans' Cay, anyone with the remotest knowledge about drugs can tell you Carlos Ledher owned that island.

People are so dumb now it's literally unreal.
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dizzie

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Murder Mountain on Netflix seems interesting.

Anyone from Cali care to chip in on how wild it is (Humboldt county)? It's portrayed as an outlaw state, that just screams fucking meth infested West Virginia type shit to me being a Brit.

It was an interesting enough to watch, and fuck me Humboldt is just really beautiful - it really is.
 

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Bit of a necro on this thread:

Anyone caught the Fyre and Fyre Fraud documentaries? I just watched Fyre Fraud and holy shit people are just so fucking stupid nowadays buying into all this social media shit.

Jesus they even said Escobar owned Normans' Cay, anyone with the remotest knowledge about drugs can tell you Carlos Ledher owned that island.

People are so dumb now it's literally unreal.
I'm absolutely not arguing but I thought the Hulu one claimed that George Jong owned the island? At any point? I haven't looked it up, I'm not arguing, just asking.

I loved both the documentaries. Cracked up at the millennials getting fucked over.

Some of that footage though, when all those models were down there, holy fucking hell.
 

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Ted Bundy doc series on Netflix was pretty good. Wish they’d fleshed it out a bit more but it was good