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Xaxius
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Riiiiiight.... because previous history is never a leading indicator of future performance. Never.
You're trying to compare a department store to a convenience store. The fact that they're both retail means nothing.
Has any person in the entire history of the MMO genre ever has as many "inside" source as Utnayan?
Now that he has resurfaced after a couple of days lying low, I wonder if I should repost those two links he avoided commenting on?
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Well youre banking on the whole TES crowd jumping in and eating this shit up like Fillet Mignon. Well I think some will, but many of them will be like "WTF is this shit? This is nothing like TES!" I cant even steal shit!"
And to tell you the truth, Star Wars is way fucking bigger than TES will ever be. That shit is BILLIONS of people strong. And yet a shitty game is still a shitty game, no name or badge will save it.
You are absolutely right, and that's what makes the Star Wars MMO failures such a monstrous disappointment. Potential means squat if it's never realized.
SWG almost found its groove, but too bad they went through years of false advertising and screwing over their playerbase before getting there, otherwise they wouldn't have ended up outdated with a disillusioned fan base. A Star Wars MMO *can* make it. The problem is, developers see the Star Wars name and figure that gives them more freedom to screw up and people will love it anyway because it's Star Wars. ZMO does not operate that way, I can say with the utmost confidence. ZeniMax handled the Fallout franchise with reverence, and from what I've seen they're giving the Elder Scrolls IP the same treatment.
A decent Star Wars MMO will come along when it's developed in secret under the strictest of standards, announced, and then worked on another couple of years. Nothing short of a cathedral even in MMO terms will live up to that name, and meanwhile we've gotten Sims in Space simulator and a plastic playground. It's not that the franchise name means nothing. It's that developers had too much hubris about what it can mean. WoW is a better comparison anyway, since both ESO and WoW build on popular, successful video game franchises. Maybe something about those conditions produce a mentality that makes it less likely the IP will be painted up like a corner harlot and pimped out.
Those who go in expecting Elder Scrolls with MMO features will be disappointed. That too is true. But at this point, considering how immense the fanbase is and how broad the base of people participating in discussion, anybody who goes in expecting that hasn't been a part of the community. There will be plenty of nice people playing who say "Lookie here," and show them what's fun.
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I agree it is a pretty mediocre game. That being said, it's better than SWTOR.
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If Bethesda and Todd Howard were making TESO this would be true. But the TES franchise is definitely being pimped out in this game and it was apparent from the first bits of information that came out about this game that showed they were keeping TES in name and lore only.
You're entitled to your opinion, brother, but that is the vaguest possible subjective statement that you could make. Maybe if you listed the kind of playstyle or content you prefer, then I or somebody else could point out how that approach to MMOs is represented in ESO. If that's not needed then /shrug. It can't please everybody, and we wouldn't want it to! Hell, I'm hoping that Wildstar and EQN both succeed alongside ESO, and then I'm hoping that Blizzard has something brewing up that will take the best of it all and come out of the corner swinging hard.
But thing is, the game doesn't have to please absolutely everybody to remain on a subscription model. 2.5M testers last session. I remember when EQ released sub figures around 200k.
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No I saw them all, but the horse and everything else was only a few people. Try again.
And now you move into the realm of fanboi
I love Todd Howard's work, but if he ever oversaw a MMO's development then I'd probably predict F2P too. ESO has implemented the Elder Scrolls tradition as best it can be done in a MMO. SWG had better class customization, but people got turned off of that model by SoE's gross mismanagement of it. Short of "pick any skill from any class," this is the best customization I've seen so far in a MMO, and unlike SWG, players have to discover and work for some of the skill lines.
I mentioned stealth in a past post, but I'll say again that the crouchy sneaking is right in line with TES. The storyline is as well. The art departs a little bit, but it naturally will in a MMO (different technical standards). The big factors in this are the things they're playing close to the chest: how to unlock vampires and werewolves, the main story progression, adventure zones, the Dark Brotherhood, and the Thieves Guild. Those will be the things that ultimately determine whether this crossover has worked.
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Red Herring. There are plenty of portions of previous Elder Scrolls game here. It just is designed as an MMO, and not as a single player powerhouse game.
Give me their older lockpicking of chests in TESO over the crap of Skyrim. Many of the NPC interactions are in the same vein. The guild setups are similar. Likewise, the landmarks and feel is very Elder Scrolls.
The game isn't a copy, though, but there are plenty of roots from previous products it is using. I think the problem is there are a lot of rote MMO features. It does feel like an Elder Scrolls game.
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As best as can be done in an MMO trying to copy WoW and SWToR as much as possible with few talented developers or management. A persistent Skyrim multiplayer server with ~1000 people in it would still be an MMO but would be much more fun and long lived.
The saving grace of TESO is the PVP. All the rest is boring and rough.
There's the biggest failure of this game. The absolute best part of any Elder Scrolls single player game are the mods. However, since 80% or so of Skyrim sales are from consoles, I think they might be going the right direction in marketing this towards that crowd. The trick to me would be allowing some sort of mod setup from the PS4/Xbone crowd....