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All gameplay mechanics aside in the videos, which is damn near being universally panned across the internet, RvR, the reason why you are so fired up, won't even make it to launch. (Rumor has it) And hasn't even been shown or developed yet as their designers frantically scramble to make the 1-50 content.
You must visit different parts of the internet than I do. I see a lot of positive reaction to the video, especially after the cold splash of water that the Disney/EQN/Titan Quest video gave to fans.

With regards to RVR not making it in. Lol? Wheeler has had a team working on the RVR for 5 years. You think they'll ship with no Cyrodil? I'll take that bet. My sources say 1-50 is done and Beta is already in the 30's and they are polishing, polishing, polishing for 8 more months. Look, I'm sorry your interview at Bethsoft went bad, and I'm sorry that your buddy there is mad about Matt Firor getting to make this game, and not him, but that's life, bro. You just gotta suck it up.
 

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I played a Cabalist at launch and that class sucked so hard for awhile, and then they added crits to AE DoTs and I could target keep doors and kill ~50 people in one cast.

The biggest fuck up was being able to be chain stunned by like 3 different Midgard classes for the first 6 months of RvR.

Even with all those issues, their launch was flawless and Darkness Falls was some of the most fun I've ever had in an MMO to date. How no other MMO hasn't stolen that basic idea yet is beyond me - nothing makes PvP more exciting than the threat of it causing you to lose access to phat loots.
 

Utnayan

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You must visit different parts of the internet than I do. I see a lot of positive reaction to the video, especially after the cold splash of water that the Disney/EQN/Titan Quest video gave to fans.

With regards to RVR not making it in. Lol? Wheeler has had a team working on the RVR for 5 years. You think they'll ship with no Cyrodil? I'll take that bet. My sources say 1-50 is done and Beta is already in the 30's and they are polishing, polishing, polishing for 8 more months. Look, I'm sorry your interview at Bethsoft went bad, and I'm sorry that your buddy there is mad about Matt Firor getting to make this game, and not him, but that's life, bro. You just gotta suck it up.
You really are a terrible shill. And when I say terrible, you are not good at disguising your posts to at least pretend to be a normal gamer. I thought they gave you a training class after you were banned from doing the same thing on the FF13 forums?

With regards to RvR, none of the systems are even close to complete. What exactly has wheeler been doing for the last (4 years by the way). As of last week they haven't shown it. Why? None of the systems are complete. Christ they had meetings up until late last year on how they were planning on designing it around mega server. It's been all scrapped completely countless times. Meaning? They have no fucking clue what they are doing. Any video out there is Wheeler giving a documentary of his pipe dreams. And do you realize his track record? A systems designer for Warhammer and 4 shitty DAOC expansions.

Good luck.

Look, I know you want to shill the shit out of this game and are likely paid to do it at this point, or you simply work for Zenimax Online. But you will be far better off talking about what was known in DAOC as we are all veteran players here to lend yourself some credibility, and we also do not look through rose tinted glasses. DAOC had it's fair share of fun for me, but a result of that was because of how ridiculously broken it was. I expect this release to be a train wreck, and should bring a whole new hilarious launch with it. And by hilarious I do not mean I would laugh at other people who made it (Aside from Sage and Firor), but hilarious in the acts of facepalming anyone thought their design mantra was a good idea. Then I am sure we will see you in the next Rich Vogel Battlecry thread when Fallout Online is announced.
 

Blackwulf

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You really are a terrible shill. And when I say terrible, you are not good at disguising your posts to at least pretend to be a normal gamer. I thought they gave you a training class after you were banned from doing the same thing on the FF13 forums?

The shill stuff is old, bro. Super old. Cool defense, though. I have never been banned from F13. I rarely post there, because it's like 9 neckbeards that go there. It's slow and nothing new ever comes out of those forums anymore.

With regards to RvR, none of the systems are even close to complete. What exactly has wheeler been doing for the last (4 years by the way). As of last week they haven't shown it. Why? None of the systems are complete. Christ they had meetings up until late last year on how they were planning on designing it around mega server. It's been all scrapped completely countless times. Meaning? They have no fucking clue what they are doing. Any video out there is Wheeler giving a documentary of his pipe dreams. And do you realize his track record? A systems designer for Warhammer and 4 shitty DAOC expansions.

Cool fantasy, bro. None of it factual, according to sources I'm far more confident in than you.

Look, I know you want to shill the shit out of this game and are likely paid to do it at this point, or you simply work for Zenimax Online. But you will be far better off talking about what was known in DAOC as we are all veteran players here to lend yourself some credibility, and we also do not look through rose tinted glasses. DAOC had it's fair share of fun for me, but a result of that was because of how ridiculously broken it was. I expect this release to be a train wreck, and should bring a whole new hilarious launch with it. And by hilarious I do not mean I would laugh at other people who made it (Aside from Sage and Firor), but hilarious in the acts of facepalming anyone thought their design mantra was a good idea. Then I am sure we will see you in the next Rich Vogel Battlecry thread when Fallout Online is announced.
Let's put your money where your mouth is. Pick your best DAOC character and I'll log in one of mine and we can have a duel. If you win, I'll close my account on these forums. I doubt you ever made it past RR2. The only experiences you talk about were in the first couple months of release. That game was pure, awesome PVP fun for years and years after that, budsky.

Seriously - did they openly laugh in your face when you applied? Where does all that anger come from?
 

Utnayan

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Let's put your money where your mouth is. Pick your best DAOC character and I'll log in one of mine and we can have a duel. If you win, I'll close my account on these forums. I doubt you ever made it past RR2. The only experiences you talk about were in the first couple months of release. That game was pure, awesome PVP fun for years and years after that, budsky.
Budsky? Do you rip heads off dolls in your free time?

Did you just challenge me to a PvP match in a video game showdown, meet you by the goal posts after school? Dude, I haven't played DAOC for years and I don't even know how I would begin. Do you think that if I lost to you in a match in a game I haven't given a fuck all about since 2004 invalidates opinions on the fact that DAOC was an abortion of imbalances and bugs only flattening out to a very fun playable state for an average of 3 months before they completely fucked it up again? This is universal fact no matter who whined your cherry on this game. But your rabid defense of it is pointing to you working at Mythic and later picked up to work at Zenimax Online.

Anyway, I thought you were banned over there at F13 for shilling. The same way you do it here. At least that is what I remember Draegan as saying?

You sure took offense to people ripping on you Matt.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=14548.40;wap2
 

Blackwulf

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You lose your argument when you resort to challenging someone to a 1v1 in a 10 year old game.
Hey, he wants me to show some credibility with DAOC!
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I'm just trying to keep it real, man, this shill nonsense is so tired...
 

Blackwulf

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Budsky? Do you rip heads off dolls in your free time?

Did you just challenge me to a PvP match in a video game showdown, meet you by the goal posts after school? Dude, I haven't played DAOC for years and I don't even know how I would begin. Do you think that if I lost to you in a match in a game I haven't given a fuck all about since 2004 invalidates opinions on the fact that DAOC was an abortion of imbalances and bugs only flattening out to a very fun playable state for an average of 3 months before they completely fucked it up again? This is universal fact no matter who whined your cherry on this game. But your rabid defense of it is pointing to you working at Mythic and later picked up to work at Zenimax Online.

Anyway, I thought you were banned over there at F13 for shilling. The same way you do it here. At least that is what I remember Draegan as saying?

You sure took offense to people ripping on you Matt.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=14548.40;wap2
It's what I figured. You probably never played DAOC.

PS.. I made a post over there for you to show I'm not banned.

PPS.. I wasn't banned here for shilling. I was banned for raging out and calling Tarrant lots of names and stuff.

*kisses*
 

Utnayan

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It's what I figured. You probably never played DAOC.

PS.. I made a post over there for you to show I'm not banned.

PPS.. I wasn't banned here for shilling. I was banned for raging out and calling Tarrant lots of names and stuff.

*kisses*
Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Holy shit! I cannot believe I found a post of me telling Mythic how to design their game on the old IGN forums. Circa November 2001.

I just hope they do something about it and realize their mistake.

1> They call it a bug fix when they nerfed the database in the spell line. Had it been a "Bug Fix" you would have adjusted the monsters reaction to the spell. Not taken down the effect of the spell from 88 to 17.

2> You accuse players of cheating and have the audacity to come here and make us think we are lucky that you did not roll our XP back. Did you JUST say that? Nice attempt at reverse phychology to downplay what you did.

3> You did not test anything. You just threw random numbers into the spell line and made it completely useless. It went from one extreme to the next - where if you would have actually taken 1-2 days to test it out, you could have actually got some solid number to make it useful still to the class.

4> Without looking at the entire class as a whole, you didn't realize that now we have nothing to offer. and I mean that. Your STR/CON debuffs do not effect anything. The Dex Debuffs are not worthless as you decreased the amount without proper testing and now they have no effect. You have 2 spells of the same class under different spec lines. And you gave our pet an AE proc to make him useless in dungeons.

Does anyone at Mythic actually even play this game to realize what you did to cripple the class? The fix to this is easy.

I have already done the testing for you. If you want to actually make a difference and prove it to your base of customers, than give me an email address where I can send this info to.

All you have to do is three things.

1> Make the dex debuffs useful by pumping them to 25% below of what they used to be in numbers.

2> You CANNOT have the two stack. AE Dex/qui in the suppression line and the Dex in the darkness line - when stacked would render the mob useless. NOT ONE SPELL.

3> You need to take away the AE stun proc. I would rather have a pet not ever proccing than what it procs now.

4> Move the AE mez line into suppression with its single target counterpart - or turn the AE mez into an AE DD damage spell. Either way as it stands now it is worhtless to have to spec in two lines to get the same effect of a spell.

What this honestly reminds me of is when you work for a big corporation. The little man on the totem pole interacts with customers everyday, talks to them, listens to them, sells them what they need and hears how to improve the company - than watching a big wig come in and do somethings that just do not make any sense at all and end up pissing off not only the customers but the employees.

You guys did no testing. You guys didn't look at the effect this would have on the class as a whole. Maybe you do not realize that our pets are useless in dungeons or anywhere where there is a mob near that can aggro due to its AE stun effect and kill the group. Maybe you didn't realize that STR/CON Debuffs do not do anything. I mean nothing. I have parsed data to show this. Just give me the email address and not some generic "[email protected]/* <![CDATA[ */!function(t,e,r,n,c,a,p){try{t=document.currentScript||function(){for(t=document.getElementsByTagName('script'),e=t.length;e--;)if(t[e].getAttribute('data-cfhash'))return t[e]}();if(t&&(c=t.previousSibling:emoji_nose:{p=t.parentNode;if(a=c.getAttribute('data-cfemail':emoji_nose:{for(e='',r='0x'+a.substr(0,2)|0,n=2;a.length-n;n+=2)e+='%'+('0'+('0x'+a.substr(n,2)^r).toString(16:emoji_nose:.slice(-2);p.replaceChild(document.createTextNode(decodeURIComponent(e:emoji_nose:,c)}p.removeChild(t)}}catch(u){}}()/* ]]> */" - give me the email of a specific person I can talk to.

I'll help you out with what this class needs. And it will not be overpowering. I would still say the Dex debuffs get nerfed. But not to the point you just made it.

had you done the testing you would have realized that the only time a monster would miss entirely is when you stack those two debuffs - which IMO should NOT stack. And let me tell you 90% of the time you never had a chance to get off the AE dex Debuff to stack them with the counterpart in the darkness baseline. 88 Dex Debuff actually did something to the mob, made it hit for less damage, but it was useful and did not render a mobs ability to hit at all.

Again this only happen when you stacked the two.

Utnayan Undertaker
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Haha holy fuck I even signed my posts back then.

Thanks Blackwulf for the trip down memory lane.

And yes this reminds me of how retarded these folks at ZO are, because they are the same people
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I totally forgot about some idiot that placed an AE DPS proc on spiritmaster pets. In dungeons, with their horrible anti camp system forcing people to move in circles and BAF, this thing would proc and bring down an entire dungeon. I wish I had some of my old videos left. Especially when Ashe from our guild AE Mezzed the entire 100 albions at the mid-mile supply camp in Emain. We had, literally, 6 people. They were easily at 100, more like 130. And they all huddled getting ready to attack. One Healer.... and it was all over
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God I miss that amount of stupidity in game design. I am so happy it is coming back.
 

Blackwulf

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Look out, folks, we got a badass in here!

So, let me get this straight: You played one of the easiest PVE classes up to 41, started having a hard time, raged on the forums for 6 months to a year, then quit? So in a game known for it's RVR, you really don't know shit about the RVR? Cool. Story. Bro.
 

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Wait is this thread about TESO or bitching at trolls instead of ignoring them?

Not that my opinion on anything matters, I enjoy the combat in Skyrim. Pretty sure that means I lose at RR.
 

Utnayan

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Look out, folks, we got a badass in here!

So, let me get this straight: You played one of the easiest PVE classes up to 41, started having a hard time, raged on the forums for 6 months to a year, then quit? So in a game known for it's RVR, you really don't know shit about the RVR? Cool. Story. Bro.
It was one illustration of complete ineptitude over at Mythic, which continues not only over there, but at Zenomax Online under the same leadership. Sorry. Your game was an imbalanced mess with knee jerk reactions to bugs or bad design decisions which made the game even worse. Do you really think I was done playing in November? That was 6 weeks after launch. We were busy baffing trows in Spindehalla because there wasn't anything else finished yet to level on. And there were zero itemized drops passed level 35 for 3 months. Along with zero relic game because it wasn't finished until late December, 3 months after launch. (Remember that funny excuse of "bugged" keep doors?) When RvR finally went beyond skirmishes, the balance issues came completely to light.

It had a period where it was decent, as stated, after Shrouded Isles. For about 3 months someone over there actually didn't have their head up their ass when fixing shit. Unfortunately, that didn't last as Firor started slamming ridiculous ideas down the pipe with New Frontiers and ToA. Then he became a consultant because no one would hire his ass. (Which was a good thing). Unfortunately, he was hired by Zenimax Media, who also hired Rich Vogel. Someone in your good ol' boys club that you can thank for having a job, Matt.
 

Blackwulf

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Alright, Ut, I gotta make this my last reply for a while; you're wearing me out more than a 13 year old trying to say that it doesn't matter about your/you're. Feel free to reply and have the last word today. Grats!

Let's review some points from our most recent back and forth:

1. You don't know much about DAOC RVR. It's okay - just don't act like an expert about something you hardly understand. DAOC is regarded by most people who stuck around to get good at the RVR as one of, if not the best MMO pvp experiences. This is a fact. When I say "most" I mean >50%. You may search for old polls or simply conduct a new one, I don't care - you'll find that your derision of that game is not widely regarded as a good representation.

2. We now have official, live, gameplay of ESO, and it doesn't look half bad. It certainly doesn't look as bad as you've made it sound in the depths of this thread.

3. You have sources that say Firor is a terrible manager and everyone hates him, and the game isn't nearly done, and there won't be any PVP on release. I have sources who say the opposite. Literally the opposite of all those things.

4. You think I'm a shill. I think you are a guy who was desperate to work on this MMO, went down to Bethsoft to interview (you've already admitted you were there) and basically got told that you really don't have anything to offer them. You now have a huge axe to grind.

5. Of all the games coming out, in the near (or somewhat near) future, only ESO, Wildstar, and EQN are really very interesting. I have it from 3 different beta testers that Wildstar is laughably boring and very incomplete. I've heard from 2 different sources that ESO will be a very pleasant surprise to all the doubters. EQN is too far away to worry about, but what we've seen is that it is really catering to the explody/Disney kid set. I'm still hoping it will mellow out and be very cool after 2 years or so of production.

I'll post more if anything interesting comes up, but I think our back and forth has probably been boring for most people viewing this thread.
 

Utnayan

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1. You don't know much about DAOC RVR. It's okay - just don't act like an expert about something you hardly understand. DAOC is regarded by most people who stuck around to get good at the RVR as one of, if not the best MMO pvp experiences. This is a fact. When I say "most" I mean >50%. You may search for old polls or simply conduct a new one, I don't care - you'll find that your derision of that game is not widely regarded as a good representation.
I, and a lot of others, have already admitted DAOC had it's window of fun. What I have done is give you reasons, factual reasons, why the design was flawed and how nothing worked at launch for over 3 months. Continual shoot now ask questions later design patches, and a horrid outlook on the game starting with ToA. You cannot combat those facts with anything but "You are a terrible RvR player". Shit, I probably was! That doesn't mean it wasn't a broken pile of shit for years. Unless, of course, you call that an emergent feature.

2. We now have official, live, gameplay of ESO, and it doesn't look half bad. It certainly doesn't look as bad as you've made it sound in the depths of this thread.
Rather than quote the comments in the last 5 pages, you can read them yourself. How are those earmuffs Matt?

3. You have sources that say Firor is a terrible manager and everyone hates him, and the game isn't nearly done, and there won't be any PVP on release. I have sources who say the opposite. Literally the opposite of all those things.
"Worst experience of my career"

I worked at ZeniMax Media full-time

Pros - Exciting games and IP's you get to be a part of, cafeteria makes getting lunch easy

Cons - Very Corporate, someone is watching your every move and complains if they don't like what they see, low pay with little chance of growth, poor management, lots of egos, not a friendly workplace, not understanding of personal problems, lack of teamwork, cliques, small time off pool

Advice to Senior Management - Change... drastically

From a current employee.

I have been working at ZeniMax Media full-time for more than 3 years

Pros - - Competitive salary (But, you will work for it 10-11 work hours per day)
- Discretionary bonus- don't get on anyone's bad side, senior management decides whether you deserve a bonus or not (0% - 10%) or more
- Subsidized cafeteria / on site meal services
- Talented / diverse work environment (face piercings, nose rings, wacky /clown colored hair, visible tattoos, etc allowed)

Cons - The cons (read carefully). Things that make you go hmmmmm:

- No room for growth and development. Employees have been in the same role for over 3 years. Each person has their own process and territorial about their work.
- Several office personnel lack office etiquette (rude and confrontational). Be prepared to defend yourself or get thrown under the bus for doing your job or being you. The bad apples make it bad for the good ones.
-No structure. Clear disconnect between senior level management and regular staff. Senior management in old boys and gals club. "Do your time mentality"
- No work life / balance . Benefits do not consummate for extra time worked
- Stringent vacation policy. Employees are given 10 days off. No rollovers allowed. You only get 10 days.
- No sick days so you have to use from your 10 day balance. Most of the staff come to work sick so they don't have to use their 10 day personal time off. They spread their illness to other employees.
- Rapidly growing company with MANY growing pains.
- Cliquey groups. Take a look in the lunch room.
- Outdated office space.
- Company spends money in questionable places.
- Senior management lacks interpersonal skills and not approachable
- No development plan for employees. You are on your own.

Advice to Senior Management - Launch an employee survey and ask them if they are happy. I don't see the cons changing anytime soon since all the key managers were the original managers since the company started 10+ years ago. The key managers making decisions are seriously positioning themselves for failure and high turnover. Talent development, engaging senior management, and offering more time off is the key to employee retention. Your employees already work hard, why not reward them?

No, I would not recommend this company to a friend - I'm not optimistic about the outlook for this company
4. You think I'm a shill. I think you are a guy who was desperate to work on this MMO, went down to Bethsoft to interview (you've already admitted you were there) and basically got told that you really don't have anything to offer them. You now have a huge axe to grind.
I have no axe to grind and I wouldn't touch this genre of the industry with a ten foot pole knowing who is calling the shots. I was there to see a couple buddies and have lunch because I was in the area fucking around in DC. Nothing more, nothing less, and have never, nor would ever, interview with Matt Firor or Paul Sage. I would rather cut my own dick off then work for either of these people.

5. Of all the games coming out, in the near (or somewhat near) future, only ESO, Wildstar, and EQN are really very interesting. I have it from 3 different beta testers that Wildstar is laughably boring and very incomplete. I've heard from 2 different sources that ESO will be a very pleasant surprise to all the doubters. EQN is too far away to worry about, but what we've seen is that it is really catering to the explody/Disney kid set. I'm still hoping it will mellow out and be very cool after 2 years or so of production.
And every beta tester I have spoken with says the opposite. That it is horribly incomplete for being in development 5+ years. I also know employees that work here knowing that are just there to get that shipped title on their resume and get the fuck out.

The back and forth has probably been more interesting then your game will ever be. Matt.
 

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What Happens When You Have A Personal Issue Against Matt Firor And Paul Sage? You Give A Shotty Opinion On The Greatest Pvp Game Ever Made (Daoc) And Have An Unfortunate Anurism , Against A Game That Has Received Praise And Positive Feedback, Thus Far In Creation. Thanks, Utayan, For A Solid Laugh And Giving A Long List Of Facts For Why You Shouldn't Be believed For A "Credible" Opinion