The Elder Scrolls Online
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Utnayan
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Seriously.
Even the SA folks are panning the shit out of this, and it's an MMORPG grassroots heaven over there.
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Blackwulf
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It just has to look better than this for me to give it a try:
And it does. Btw, those of you saying the combat looks bad, please post some MMO combat you think looks awesome, so I can get an idea what you mean.
Specifically, look at the fight at 57:50 in this video:http://www.twitch.tv/bethesda/b/439743009?t=40m49s
I think it looks decent. You see her block, doing positionals, etc. The details are okay, considering it's streaming, etc. Plenty good enough as long as they:
1. Have good environments/lore
2. Have good character development*
3. Have good RVR*
4. Have meaningful crafting
* = key for me
And it does. Btw, those of you saying the combat looks bad, please post some MMO combat you think looks awesome, so I can get an idea what you mean.
Specifically, look at the fight at 57:50 in this video:http://www.twitch.tv/bethesda/b/439743009?t=40m49s
I think it looks decent. You see her block, doing positionals, etc. The details are okay, considering it's streaming, etc. Plenty good enough as long as they:
1. Have good environments/lore
2. Have good character development*
3. Have good RVR*
4. Have meaningful crafting
* = key for me
Utnayan
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The entire game looks boring as shit. And every video they release or doctored up presentation to make it look better than it is, only makes the entire organization look worse (As well as the game)
As far as MMORPG combat, I would take click skills with cool downs any day of the week over what pretty much appears to be Dragon Prophet with tourettes.
It just doesn't look fun... At all. To anyone here.
Except you.
Blackwulf
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So, that's your opinion, that's fine. Can you post a vid of some cool looking (to you) MMO combat, though? Also, as far as it being 'boring as shit' - I happen to be in contact with a fairly reliable beta player who's also in Wildstar beta and he says he has MUCH more fun in the ESO beta.
Actually, the devs have already said the game is more sandbox than themepark with an open world and many different avenues for growth. Also, there are not traditional levels.
Utnayan
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I would say a game that can mimic Dark Souls combat in an MMORPG would be the best.
I have to strongly disagree here. I'm a huge Dark Souls fan, but their method of combat does not really apply itself to tactical MMORPG game playing.
The huge swath of neckbeards who never would figure out how to parry would also doom your game.
The huge swath of neckbeards who never would figure out how to parry would also doom your game.
Utnayan
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Well, we need something new and different. A Dark Souls difficulty MMORPG with solid combat mechanics people would have to learn and adjust too. Dark Souls obviously isn't for everyone, and it's hard. But taking the time to master combat techniques is sorely missed in this genre of button mashing and jamming hot keys while evading little circles on the ground.
Have you tried Chivalry, Medieval Warfare? I like their direction for a coop or MMO more so than Dark Souls. I love DS but it's pretty much designed for single player. The invasions were fun, but nothing that translates to my type of coop or good PVE.
Utnayan
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Yeah I did. That game is hilarious.
I think a shift in gameplay is required. Having a true persistent world with new and fun types of mechanical combat. I am not sure why all MMORPG's need to revert back to click fests or skill rotations. There has to be someone thinking action combat without tacking it on as a marketing gimmick, where usually it just ends up being awful. Oh well, one can dream I guess.
Wildstar only has 4 classes atm and I hear they are doing combat revamp as well, so that is like saying that you ate a meal at 2 Restaurants , 1 them sucked and the other sucked but the other was a little better.
Vorph
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TERA is the only game I'd say has done the action-MMO combat thing right. I've tried GW2, Neverwinter, <unnamed-game-in-beta>, and a couple others and they're all fucking awful compared to TERA's combat. Elder Scrolls looks even worse in videos than those others, to the surprise of absolutely no one who's ever played a Bethesda game before.
As far as Dark Souls MMO combat goes I'd say Vindictus is probably the closest I've seen to that. Like TERA though, it's another game with a nice combat engine trapped inside a incredibly shitty Korean grindfest.