The Elder Scrolls Online
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joz123
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Not even worth it for free. Don't know how this game hasn't collapsed yet.
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GuardianX
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Because it was one of, I wanna say, 2 MMO's on Xbox prior to FFXIV going to Xbox. That's the reason as I understood it when I asked the same question years ago.
The only other MMO wasn't even really an MMO if I recall. It would be interesting to see what market share FFXIV takes away from it. Granted I think playing any MMO, much less a keyspam MMO, on a console would be aids.
Valderen
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While I really dislike the combat which i consider to be one of the weakest aspect of the game. I generally enjoy the rest, there's a lot to do and tons of content.
The combat usually just annoys me so much that after a few weeks I can't take it anymore. That said I haven't played the game in 1-2 years now.
The combat usually just annoys me so much that after a few weeks I can't take it anymore. That said I haven't played the game in 1-2 years now.
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moonarchia
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FFXIV has always had a big PS crew and was built for it as well as PC, so xbox folks will probably do just fine.
Daidraco
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The casual crowd absolutely loves the game, for the most part. I'm talking girls, non-game type dudes with poor hand/eye coordination etc. Because
Valderen
hit the nail on the head for me. I cannot stand the fucking combat. But I enjoyed questing in several of the zones and a lot of the puzzles. If they redid that floaty ass, spammy ass combat, they'd be on to something.
Valderen
hit the nail on the head for me. I cannot stand the fucking combat. But I enjoyed questing in several of the zones and a lot of the puzzles. If they redid that floaty ass, spammy ass combat, they'd be on to something.
Xerge
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Despite it being "spammy" and floaty the game technically has combat depth.
Anyone is able to browse ESO Logs - Combat Analysis for ESO and see this. In order to top parse you need to manage your rotation abilities 1-5, 1 second mouse clicks, your ultimate, and your group synergies, hence the term weaving. This is a skill on its own and if you don't master it you'll not pull enough weight for hard mode raid clears. I'll be honest, I couldn't master ESO's combat and reach over 100k DPS. I peaked at around 90k DPS parse and it was a struggle then. So realistically, ESO's combat are for ppl who love the challenge and can focus their eye/hand coordination like
Daidraco
mentioned. It is also measurable and able to be analyzed for optimization, unlike say ...New World.
ESO's end game combat isn't for everyone thats for sure, I admit my defeat on it.
Edit: for the reason I explained; the team over the years have tried to scale back the DPS requirements for hard modes but the devs. are really stuck in a hard spot.
Anyone is able to browse ESO Logs - Combat Analysis for ESO and see this. In order to top parse you need to manage your rotation abilities 1-5, 1 second mouse clicks, your ultimate, and your group synergies, hence the term weaving. This is a skill on its own and if you don't master it you'll not pull enough weight for hard mode raid clears. I'll be honest, I couldn't master ESO's combat and reach over 100k DPS. I peaked at around 90k DPS parse and it was a struggle then. So realistically, ESO's combat are for ppl who love the challenge and can focus their eye/hand coordination like
Daidraco
mentioned. It is also measurable and able to be analyzed for optimization, unlike say ...New World.ESO's end game combat isn't for everyone thats for sure, I admit my defeat on it.
Edit: for the reason I explained; the team over the years have tried to scale back the DPS requirements for hard modes but the devs. are really stuck in a hard spot.
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This mmo is still fairly popular.
The fact that everyone is on the same server means that the game always fills full, no matter where you are at.
Ton of casuals, all the content stays relevant, the housing system is great, the storyline is fairly good with all quests voice acted as well.
Community for the most part is non toxic and friendly.
Certainly can't disagree with the combat...some people love it, some hate it...very little middle ground.
The fact that everyone is on the same server means that the game always fills full, no matter where you are at.
Ton of casuals, all the content stays relevant, the housing system is great, the storyline is fairly good with all quests voice acted as well.
Community for the most part is non toxic and friendly.
Certainly can't disagree with the combat...some people love it, some hate it...very little middle ground.
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played a few years back and the best recommendation I could ever make about this game's combat is to get an oakensoul ring so you can 1 bar and it infinitely improves how shitty the combat is to damn near top 10...ok maybe top 20 MMO combat.
I don't even know if that's still a thing and it was never "optimal" but it alleviated damn near everything wrong with the combat in this game
I don't even know if that's still a thing and it was never "optimal" but it alleviated damn near everything wrong with the combat in this game
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honestly 1 bar is the perfect amount of abilities for an action game in general, if ESO was slightly more actiony and if the attacks had more weight behind them. Light attack, Heavy Attack, 5 specials, and your ultimate, thats 8 attacks. especially since this game relies heavily on a single spammable + a single execute ability. That gives you 3 situational abilities and an ultimate.
unfortunately the game lacks situational type abilities and instead just has a bunch of attack/buff and low duration dots which kinda forces you to fill your time with spamming buttons instead of thinking about what actions you need to use
unfortunately the game lacks situational type abilities and instead just has a bunch of attack/buff and low duration dots which kinda forces you to fill your time with spamming buttons instead of thinking about what actions you need to use
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Daidraco
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For anyone that still plays, or occasionally dips their feet in the game - is this a good thing or a bad thing? The only thing Ive wanted to change in the game, really, since its beta - is the combat. Why in the literal fuck they let the combat deteriorate into that cluster fuck of annoying shit at the end game is beyond me.
Rabbit_Games
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It's such a leisure game that I keep thinking about going back to it. Once I'm done with Dune, I just might. We'll see.
Xerge
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Unless this new person decides to spend an several years rewriting the game to fix the combat. Its either that or do ESO2, which is definitely not happening under MS as we seen. Otherwise the game was mostly fine for what it is. The rewrite would be worth it and I dont see why t he shouldn't do it though. They could hit up other outdated mechanics or add modern features like mantling around the world to get the game feeling fresh. Playing New World and then logging into ESO is a very awkward experience.
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Bald Brah
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I tried going back to EQ live a couple times. It's such a shit show. It got way too over complicated with gear slots and gems and stupid fucking AAs.
So recently I tried this game. It's pretty and runs smooth but there is zero challenge. You just run around from mob to mob playing whack a mole with zero danger or consequences.
Anything else out there that's a middle ground? This reminds me of toon town, where EQ you need a computer science degree and a month of study just to level your character.
I loved playing elden ring and baldurs gate recently. One for awesome combat and the other for amazing quests and tactical fights.
I haven't seen any MMO that I don't get sick of in a couple days. Auto attack and tab target is such a dated concept. ESO is at least somewhat interactive but you're just spamming light attack 99 percent of the time and doing telegraphed dodging 1 percent of the time. Not very immersive or challenging.
So recently I tried this game. It's pretty and runs smooth but there is zero challenge. You just run around from mob to mob playing whack a mole with zero danger or consequences.
Anything else out there that's a middle ground? This reminds me of toon town, where EQ you need a computer science degree and a month of study just to level your character.
I loved playing elden ring and baldurs gate recently. One for awesome combat and the other for amazing quests and tactical fights.
I haven't seen any MMO that I don't get sick of in a couple days. Auto attack and tab target is such a dated concept. ESO is at least somewhat interactive but you're just spamming light attack 99 percent of the time and doing telegraphed dodging 1 percent of the time. Not very immersive or challenging.
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Go try New world. It should be cheap now. Great combat system which is easy to learn but harder to master. And its not tab targeting BS either. It also has some survival stuff going on too. So you can basically become the master of all gather/crafts if you are so inclined. Back when I played it at release it did not have any meaningful end game, but im sure they have added some by now, or at least I hope they did, lol. But even if not, its still great to just run through, level up and gear up a character in that game. Tons of fun. It has a 2 weapon system which you can change on the fly. So for exmple you can have a spear and a great axe. And switch between both at a press of a button. Both having their own attack types you spec into. Guns/bows, blunderbuss, hatchet, axe, spear, huge hammer, greatsword.....
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