The Hateful Eight

I posted the exact same thing when the screener came out.

Then I remembered women don't watch his movies.

Saw it. Not bad. Good character development, dialogue, etc. 8/10. Not as good as Django. Lacking his signature weird foot fetish stuff, too!

Yeah I kept waiting for the Uma lookalike to take her boots off and Madsen start licking her heels or something, but no.

I liked it, very good movie. Chuk you're overthinking the minutiae of this shit.

chaos_sl said:

Yeah I kept waiting for the Uma lookalike to take her boots off and Madsen start licking her heels or something, but no.

I liked it, very good movie. Chuk you're overthinking the minutiae of this shit.

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Gang has a plan that involves "kill dude, get girl." Gang sees an opportunity to use Minnie's, incorporate that into the plan. Minnie didn't know who they were, she didn't have Facebook or whatever. The seasoned bounty hunter knew them all by name and reputation, but didn't know he was sitting with them for hours, nobody knew what anyone looked like unless they had actually met.

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Xevy_sl said:

Saw it. Not bad. Good character development, dialogue, etc. 8/10. Not as good as Django. Lacking his signature weird foot fetish stuff, too!

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tarantino doesnt always include his signature stuff. was no foot fetish in reservoir dogs, there werent even any female characters in the movie cept for a few extras. i dont recall any PoV looking in a trunk/box scene in this movie and i dont think anyone got killed with a sword. though tarantino did still insert himself/his voice in the film.

Bro


I don't disagree with your larger point, the Tarantino of today is not the Tarantino or the 90s, but I don't think that's a bad thing. No one could accuse him of remaking the same couple of movies over and over, he uses some similar themes and devices but he makes wildly different movies with them. I've been happy with his evolution and if he really only does 2 more movies and then hangs it up, I think he'll be sitting pretty good.

chaos_sl said:

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I don't disagree with your larger point, the Tarantino of today is not the Tarantino or the 90s, but I don't think that's a bad thing. No one could accuse him of remaking the same couple of movies over and over, he uses some similar themes and devices but he makes wildly different movies with them. I've been happy with his evolution and if he really only does 2 more movies and then hangs it up, I think he'll be sitting pretty good.

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please stop making me remember this movie.

I refuse, because your reading of the movie doesn't make sense

chaos_sl said:

I refuse, because your reading of the movie doesn't make sense

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You're making the assumption that they never planned to bushwack Ruth based on what I don't know. That isexactlytheir plan.

Yeah, he had a chartered stage, but it isn't like there are a hundred different possible routes in bumfuck Wyoming for a 6 team stage to take. They knew the final destination, so they knew the route. With the route along with the incoming blizzard, they knew there would be a delay. Shit's not rocket surgery.

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It's based on dialogue from the domergue gang themselves when they showed their pov. Go back and watch. Christ, people give me shit for missing teeny details but when others miss key plotlines to the whole film nobody says a damned thing.

They weren't counting on the blizzard. If there wasn't a blizzard they may still have stopped and if not they could go after them as they went by. Jesus.

you need to go back and watch the movie too.

Dude, by the time they arrived at Minnies the blizzard was already a known factor. How long do you think they were at Minnies before the bounty hunters showed up?

chaos_sl said:

Dude, by the time they arrived at Minnies the blizzard was already a known factor. How long do you think they were at Minnies before the bounty hunters showed up?

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there is no point arguing key elements of the movie because you were out buying popcorn when the domergue gang spelled out their whole fucking plan in their PoV scene. enjoy your version of the movie.

Considering Minnies was a known stop, and coaches needed pitstops for water and whatnot, it was not exactly rocket science from the gangs pov to hold up there. By the way people talked about Minnies it also seemed to be the last regular stop where downtime could be had for quite a distance. Even if you charter your own coach, the horses (and passangers) would need to stop for food, water and a short rest.

the gang was banking on the storm becuase their whole key plan was NOT to bushwack/ambush John Ruth. that was the whole goddamn point. thats why they poisoned him instead of shooting him. they PLANNED on catching him off guard and that plan encompassed the fucking blizzard because they said SPECIFICALLY the blizzard is giving us 2 days to catch John Ruth when he isnt looking to kill him. jesus.

and you have to decide whether this gang knows red rock or not. because if they do then they would be known to minnie and the stage crew, if they dont then they have no business of knowing if john ruth will stop in Minnie's or not. keep in mind he was going on no sleep. a 2 day stayover at Minnies would be tougher thn just riding into town and getting shit done by nightfall. thats why the storm was so important.

-final edit
before people start labelling me a hater, i did like the cast, cinematography, score, action, set design, makeup, costumes and i even liked some of the dialogue. my issue is with the story and most of the dialogue, in an action movie those would not be issues. however in a mystery its always the most important thing that you get right because shit falls apart if it isnt solid. we also never addressed whether SLJ was being an unreliable narrator or telling the truth when he was goading bruce dern into shooting him. i'm still not sure on that.

I'm not labeling you a hater, you're hung up on this point that you have decided that the gang had ESP and knew about the storm, rather than the more likely scenario that the gang set out to get her back and incorporated the storm, and the delay it would cause Ruth, into their plan. They didn't plan on poisoning him, they had no idea they would have that opportunity, they planned on using whatever means necessary. One of the reasons that Ruth was so paranoid, he had to know they were coming. And or course they knew he would stop at Minnie's, there aren't a lot of places to stop and they can't take that big ass stage through all the mountains without resting the horses and servicing the equipment. Ruth is headed from "places unknown" to Red Rock, using the major road given the size of his party he's going to have to stop, Minnie's is the logical place to stop. Given the blizzard, their stop suddenly becomes for a significant period of time. I don't know why you're making this some big complicated thing.

I don't think it matters whether or not Major was telling the truth or not, either way is just as likely.

i am only "hung up " because it set the stage for the following events. go back to when the domergue brother is explaining their plan to free the sister. check it and tell me i have it wrong. i saw the movie one time and so its possible i misheard the plan. i dont think i did because it synchs with everything else.

its also important because their plan would have been hatched soon as word reached the gang that the sister had been captured. back in those days news could take days to weeks to spread, especially for an outlaw gang in a pioneer region such as 19th century wyoming. ok, so the gang hears about the capture and that john ruth is bringing the prisoner to red rock. they hear john ruth and realize he is a bad mofo that couldnt just ambush with guns blazing. the sister might die in the crossfire.

so the plan is hatched to catch john ruth off guard, how do they do that? by somehow taking the regular stage coach hoping they will get ahead of john ruth's stage even though they cant be sure where he is, then triangulating on this general store/inn which they know about but never actually been to, killing (almost) everyone inside and hoping that john ruth may stop in so they could poison him or catch him off guard. thats their plan with no blizzard.

throw in the blizzard and then the odds of ruth stopping in there go up significantly. the blizzard could be a big coincidence along with them somehow figuring it would blow over in 2 days.

having said all that, the plan was fucking stupid and not well thought out at all. knowing the blizzard was coming changes a terrible plan into an extremely lucky plan, but still not a good plan. im sure they didnt know about the red rock sheriff and SLJ being with him, but even then they still had a good chance over the next 2 days to find a way to kill john ruth.

if the plan was not for Minnie's, but actually in red rock, then the blizzard blew up and the stage coach said they would have to weather out the storm in Minnie's and these guys decided at the last second to change their plan and hope that john ruth would be forced to go to minnie's as well,then i could get behind that. that makes sense. its organic

but no, their plan was to specifically head over to this store/inn and wait sneakylike for john ruth. blizzard or no.

It syncs fine. You're making assumptions, like them not knowing where he was, which don't make sense. There isn't a major highway system, they know where he's headed, they know where he left from, they know how he's traveling, they know he'll have to stop somewhere. Then the blizzard hits and they know they'll have some time. Yeah, it's not the best plan, these people are all desperate and not the best educated minds, and their plans keep getting thrown off. First the blizzard, then the extra passengers, then the old man turns out to be some big time confederate general, etc. They could have originally planned for Red Rock, but we'll never know, because that isn't the story we got or the insight into the background we were given.

-shrug, im going by what i heard in the movie, it wasnt satisfactory to me. if it works for you then more power to ya.

Thought the first two hours were great, didn't really like the last act starting with Chapter 4 - Domergrue's Secret. Upon further review Samuel L Jackon's character may be the most evil character I've seen in a film since Anton Chigur.

Still very, very good even if I disliked where it went in the end. Damn fine acting, dialogue, and the whole thing looks wonderful.

edit - speaking of problems