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The pro mecca ignores these things,

why do all the early temples point (first 100 ish years)to petra?
Why do some built during the war point between mecca and petra?
why does mecca have ZERO ruins in the immediate area around the shrine?
Why was Muhammad's family from the immediate petra vicinity?

Also..the WINNERS of wars write the histories, and in this case, DESTROY the other histories of the times.


One thing that I THINk does not jive in that video is the time Table for the army to return to damascus. A DIRECTish marching route a currier in a rush would make it to mecca in about 10 days damascus leaving 30 days to make ajourney that might take 20 days with an army.
 
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Petra is strange.

Why were they carving facades? There was some reason to it beyond "this will be neat".

It is for sure neat, but art does not justify the labor. Was it a trade hub?

The muslim world may not have very many accomplishments, but Petra is one.
 
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iannis said:
Petra is strange.

Why were they carving facades? There was some reason to it beyond "this will be neat".

It is for sure neat, but art does not justify the labor. Was it a trade hub?

The muslim world may not have very many accomplishments, but Petra is one.
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it was indeed a trade hub, they had so much cash going through there they could afford to hire classical greek/roman sculptors to pretty up some of their caves, so that why the their treasury looks like this.
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Lenardo said:
The pro mecca ignores these things,

why do all the early temples point (first 100 ish years)to petra?
Why do some built during the war point between mecca and petra?
why does mecca have ZERO ruins in the immediate area around the shrine?
Why was Muhammad's family from the immediate petra vicinity?

Also..the WINNERS of wars write the histories, and in this case, DESTROY the other histories of the times.


One thing that I THINk does not jive in that video is the time Table for the army to return to damascus. A DIRECTish marching route a currier in a rush would make it to mecca in about 10 days damascus leaving 30 days to make ajourney that might take 20 days with an army.
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So you didn't read the article I linked?

Arabs didn't have Math at that point, they didn't know where to fucking point them. Most of the theory is just seeing ancient people making mistakes and assuming they knew what they were talking about.

Mecca doesn't have ruins because Saudi Arabia banned archaeology and demolished 95% of the city to build stupid skyscrapers like the Bin Laden Clock Tower.

Islam split into multiple factions almost immediatly (Sunni, Shia, Ibadi), yet they all agreed to alter history?

The language points to where it was written. The Quran has lots of loan words from Ethiopia, which was the most powerful politically in the Mecca area. It had very few from the Romans which was the most powerful politically in the Petra area.

The language thing is really important, for example you can tell whose been ruling England based on all the words from other languages in English - most notably the massive number of French words the Normans brought over.
 
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So you didn't read the article I linked?

Arabs didn't have Math at that point, they didn't know where to fucking point them. Most of the theory is just seeing ancient people making mistakes and assuming they knew what they were talking about.

Mecca doesn't have ruins because Saudi Arabia banned archaeology and demolished 95% of the city to build stupid skyscrapers like the Bin Laden Clock Tower.

Islam split into multiple factions almost immediatly (Sunni, Shia, Ibadi), yet they all agreed to alter history?

The language points to where it was written. The Quran has lots of loan words from Ethiopia, which was the most powerful politically in the Mecca area. It had very few from the Romans which was the most powerful politically in the Petra area.

The language thing is really important, for example you can tell whose been ruling England based on all the words from other languages in English - most notably the massive number of French words the Normans brought over.
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yeah, Islam is such a relatively new religion its not even worth talking about in historical context other than its yet another one that "borrowed" the epic of Gilgamesh and made it its own.
 
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It's not all that much younger than Catholisism and Greek Orthodox.

About three hundred years after nicea, but that's not all that much. Eight generations? It's still 1400 years old.
 
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pretty sure they had math at that time- otherwise how would ALL ancient temples of islam point to the same spot pretty much exactly? you have to remember that a few hundred years AFTER islam's founding was the burning of the library of alexandria and the burning/destruction of 99.9% of all books in the caliphate that went from spain thru to asia.

early islam prayer walls point to petra- pretty much exactly at petra
most islam temples built after the 2nd islamic civil war point pretty much exactly at mecca
the only temples built not pointing at either, are a few islamic temples built during the war of tribes that remained neutral to the fight and pointed them almost exactly Between mecca and petra.
some later mosques instead of pointing at mecca or petra chose a line parallel to the direct path from petra to mecca. they had to have math or at least knowledge to figure that stuff out, to do that.

they HAD knowledge of math, it just was lost when they destroyed all the books.

i read the article in question, evidence counter to the "consensus" view is ignored/cast in doubt/ etc. while espoucing the current view.

the biggest argument against the consensus view is the -SITE- of mecca itself. the forbidden gathering place - the actual site- was supposed to have walls, a river/watercourse through it, trees, etc. it was supposed to be a thriving trade community.

Mecca did not have this. a site a day's travel away does have some of the features. but describing a site as having trees etc...would not use the description of a place 30odd kilometers from the site.
mecca was not on any caravan routes, thus was not a trade center
mecca did not have a water course thru it,
mecca did not have walls
etc.

Petra conversely had pretty much ALL the features in the various descriptions.

mohammad's immediate family lived in the petra region-about a day's travel away not that ~5-10 days travel it would take to get to mecca.

mecca was not on any MAPS of the region until around the time of the 2nd islamic civil war. it is entirely possible, that petra was the original site of islam's "forbidden gathering place"(forbidden in this case meaning no fighting/killing), and the black stone was MOVED to mecca to protect it during the war.

victors write the histories, in this case the victors wrote the histories, and destroyed all books/scrolls that said anything different.
 
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Lenardo said:
pretty sure they had math at that time- otherwise how would ALL ancient temples of islam point to the same spot pretty much exactly? you have to remember that a few hundred years AFTER islam's founding was the burning of the library of alexandria and the burning/destruction of 99.9% of all books in the caliphate that went from spain thru to asia.

early islam prayer walls point to petra- pretty much exactly at petra
most islam temples built after the 2nd islamic civil war point pretty much exactly at mecca
the only temples built not pointing at either, are a few islamic temples built during the war of tribes that remained neutral to the fight and pointed them almost exactly Between mecca and petra.
some later mosques instead of pointing at mecca or petra chose a line parallel to the direct path from petra to mecca. they had to have math or at least knowledge to figure that stuff out, to do that.

they HAD knowledge of math, it just was lost when they destroyed all the books.

i read the article in question, evidence counter to the "consensus" view is ignored/cast in doubt/ etc. while espoucing the current view.

the biggest argument against the consensus view is the -SITE- of mecca itself. the forbidden gathering place - the actual site- was supposed to have walls, a river/watercourse through it, trees, etc. it was supposed to be a thriving trade community.

Mecca did not have this. a site a day's travel away does have some of the features. but describing a site as having trees etc...would not use the description of a place 30odd kilometers from the site.
mecca was not on any caravan routes, thus was not a trade center
mecca did not have a water course thru it,
mecca did not have walls
etc.

Petra conversely had pretty much ALL the features in the various descriptions.

mohammad's immediate family lived in the petra region-about a day's travel away not that ~5-10 days travel it would take to get to mecca.

mecca was not on any MAPS of the region until around the time of the 2nd islamic civil war. it is entirely possible, that petra was the original site of islam's "forbidden gathering place"(forbidden in this case meaning no fighting/killing), and the black stone was MOVED to mecca to protect it during the war.

victors write the histories, in this case the victors wrote the histories, and destroyed all books/scrolls that said anything different.
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They've had advanced math forever.
They'd probably have the smartest and best society if they could have read the ancient civ works rather than use them to build bath houses.
 
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Lenardo said:
pretty sure they had math at that time- otherwise how would ALL ancient temples of islam point to the same spot pretty much exactly?
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I don't think they do all point to the same spot pretty much exactly. Would be great if proof could be posted that isn't an 80 minute video.

Lenardo said:
early islam prayer walls point to petra- pretty much exactly at petra
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If I'm wrong and they do all point to Pretra, then they probably chose something like the direction of the sunrise, a star/constellation at a certain time of year or some arbitary point between east and south. None of which would be accurate to Mecca but could fluke into pointing somewhere else, you'll find a city pretty much wherever you draw a line on a map.

Lenardo said:
most islam temples built after the 2nd islamic civil war point pretty much exactly at mecca
the only temples built not pointing at either, are a few islamic temples built during the war of tribes that remained neutral to the fight and pointed them almost exactly Between mecca and petra.
some later mosques instead of pointing at mecca or petra chose a line parallel to the direct path from petra to mecca. they had to have math or at least knowledge to figure that stuff out, to do that.
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People in different places and different time periods would have used different methods, some of which were right and some of which were wrong. No shit later Mosques point at Mecca better. Why do conspiracy theorists always assume that ancient people are infalliable? The article I linked mentions that not even all the Mosques in the US point at Mecca properly.

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i read the article in question, evidence counter to the "consensus" view is ignored/cast in doubt/ etc. while espoucing the current view.

the biggest argument against the consensus view is the -SITE- of mecca itself. the forbidden gathering place - the actual site- was supposed to have walls, a river/watercourse through it, trees, etc. it was supposed to be a thriving trade community.

Mecca did not have this. a site a day's travel away does have some of the features. but describing a site as having trees etc...would not use the description of a place 30odd kilometers from the site.
mecca was not on any caravan routes, thus was not a trade center
mecca did not have a water course thru it,
mecca did not have walls
etc.

Petra conversely had pretty much ALL the features in the various descriptions.

mohammad's immediate family lived in the petra region-about a day's travel away not that ~5-10 days travel it would take to get to mecca.

mecca was not on any MAPS of the region until around the time of the 2nd islamic civil war. it is entirely possible, that petra was the original site of islam's "forbidden gathering place"(forbidden in this case meaning no fighting/killing), and the black stone was MOVED to mecca to protect it during the war.
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They exaggerated to make it not seem like a shithole. It was a shithole not impotant enough to be on maps and is still a shithole today. They had to make a magic rock into a tourist attraction to give the place any importance.

Lenardo said:
victors write the histories, in this case the victors wrote the histories, and destroyed all books/scrolls that said anything different.
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The Shia are still alive and are still having wet dreams about Ali. Alternate New Testaments and apocryphal texts of Judaism have been found. It's not that easy to destroy information.
 
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Looks mighty similar to the Astra TR3B. Is this a real patent, fake or some form of propaganda?

US10144532B2 - Craft using an inertial mass reduction device - Google Patents

A craft using an inertial mass reduction device comprises of an inner resonant cavity wall, an outer resonant cavity, and microwave emitters. The electrically charged outer resonant cavity wall and the electrically insulated inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave...
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Nola said:
Looks mighty similar to the Astra TR3B. Is this a real patent, fake or some form of propaganda?

US10144532B2 - Craft using an inertial mass reduction device - Google Patents

A craft using an inertial mass reduction device comprises of an inner resonant cavity wall, an outer resonant cavity, and microwave emitters. The electrically charged outer resonant cavity wall and the electrically insulated inner resonant cavity wall form a resonant cavity. The microwave...
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Yes its legit.
Pretty sure it's a duplicate, more or less, as the Lockheed Skunkworks/Boeings Phantomworks.
Only downside is, even with this patent in public domain we have no idea if this particular item works.
Its speculated that it's a direct copy of schematics, but as far as I know, nobody has that kind of cash just laying around to build it based on this.

That said, the Astra has been seen since the 80s. But I dont think we have enough evidence to say its us or another country/faction.
Though if you read into history, black triangles have been seen in the skies for many many centuries.
 
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I'm so dissapointed in him, that video is total bullshit. His last video on Atlantis was an island/swamp on the south coast of Spain which fit the clues and atleast seemed credible.

Atlantis is probably just one of those sunken Egyptian cities or volcano destroyed Minoan cities and the location has been misunderstood or exagerated through hearsay over hundreds of years. It's not that complicated.
 
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Chris said:
I'm so dissapointed in him, that video is total bullshit. His last video on Atlantis was an island/swamp on the south coast of Spain which fit the clues and atleast seemed credible.

Atlantis is probably just one of those sunken Egyptian cities or volcano destroyed Minoan cities and the location has been misunderstood or exagerated through hearsay over hundreds of years. It's not that complicated.
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Hey, you figured it out! Wait till I tell the folks that have been looking for and trying to find the ruins of Atlantis for over 9 millennium. They're going to be so disappointed.
 
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Hey, you figured it out! Wait till I tell the folks that have been looking for and trying to find the ruins of Atlantis for over 900+ millennium. They're going to be so disappointed.
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I don't think that people have been trying to find Atlantis for 900,000 years, maybe the math skills there explain a few things :)
 
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Yeah I don't think the Greeks give a shit that some rock island by Britain sank 9k years ago. Probably something closer to Greece would warrant a story.
 
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Maybe this will have some results.
If Aliens Are Flashing Laser Beams at Us, We Now Have a Way to Detect Them

Breakthrough Listen, the most extensive Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) program in history, announced that its team will begin looking for new signs of alien technology using the Very Energetic Radiation Imaging Telescope Array System (VERITAS) at the Fred Lawrence Whipple Observatory in Amado, Arizona
 
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