The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

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Julian The Apostate said:
In general I’d say to start looking at the connections between the occult and modern intelligence agencies like the CIA, Mossad, and KGB. Also the founding members of the CIA like Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush. Also that group had some pretty interesting connections with Nazi germany who also have a lot of lore with the occult. Also secret organizations like the Skull and Bones etc.

Also check out anti-gravity research of people like Thomas Townsend Brown and Lou Witten and Freeman Dyson. Also notethe list of anti-gravity researchers that have died post 1960’s under mysterious circumstances.

There is not shortcut other than putting the time in and doing your own research other than what a controlled media is telling you. You seem too inconvenienced to even listen to an hour long podcast so I don’t hold out too much hope for you being able to piece this all together.
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He's not going to look into any of it. He comes to this thread to troll while he beats his pud.
 
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I don't have any specific part I'm concerned about, it is the whole thing. You say it is the only thing that fits all the data, but I say people being people fits better. For mine, you just have to accept that people are generally (not always) shitty when given some modicum of power. For yours, you have to not only believe that people are inherently good and just, but that there is also some external force manipulating them to act the way I say is natural.

If you want to stick with the claim that humans are good and just, then you also have to claim that throughout history every inclination to rape and murder and pillage and sacrifice etc. has been influenced by external forces. That's a lot of fucking work for civilizations that don't even exist any more. What was their end goal for doing that to, say, the Indians (casino)? They murdered the fuck out of each other. What about random tribes in Africa? Even before modern warlords they were committing atrocities for centuries. The list goes on and on. My assumption explains all of that in a simple manner. Yours requires the interference of some higher being we have no actual proof of, so I don't see how that's the only thing that fits.
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I thought exactly like you do a couple years ago. Just people being naturally shitty and greedy to each other. Then I realized non human intelligence exists and there is a reasonable case to be made for that. I think one type of NHI seems to be both good and bad spiritual entities that exist in another dimension that can also manifest in our physical reality. These entities are also responsible for and/or likely somehow related to ghosts, poltergeist phenomenon, cryptids, possession, DMT machine-elves and mantids, shadow people, the alien abduction phenomena, and on and on and on. Our ancestors called them angels and demons but they have presented themselves differently to people depending on their culture, beliefs, and time periods.

Our ancestors called them angels and demons but they have appeared to all people of all time periods but were called different things and appeared in different ways based on the beliefs and time period of the experiencer. I think it’s possible that when people see aliens today they might be the same entities as just manifesting as what we think are aliens. Basically these might be what our ancestors called demons lying to us am making us think they’re extra terrestrial aliens from another planet. Whatever they are they seem to have complete mastery and control of spacetime

What-ever these thing are they are real, they exist. You can use ritual magic to communicate with them. Witches and voodoo shamans have been doing this shit for millennia cursing people and whatever the fuck else. I think parts of our governments have been communicating with these entities and using them and getting used and manipulated by them. I think they play a huge part in global war, economics, politics in general.

I think these entities work more from manipulating humanity to do their dirty work. Also I think(and hope) that there is an equal amount of good entities but unfortunately it is very easy to manipulate a few people at the top that control world politics.

My most optimistic interpretation of this is that the good ones can’t hope to help humanity unless more of us wake up to this strange reality and figure out what the fuck is going on and how this clown world actually works.

Edit: Or I may have gotten lost in a wild psyops echo chamber, don’t think I haven’t considered it! 😂
 
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Moogalak said:
He's not going to look into any of it. He comes to this thread to troll while he beats his pud.
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Ufology 101 and great intro to documented similarities between historical documented encounters with fairy folk, etc and modern abduction and UFO sightings.

Passport to Magonia: from Folklore to Flying Saucers
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My atheism kept the spiritual aspect of the phenomenon at bay for awhile but eventually it became so unavoidable that I’m no longer an atheist because of it. Who knows, I certainly could be wrong and this could be a strictly nuts and bolts phenomenon that works with materialism, but I don’t see it. Being part of some alien quantum AI simulation is always a possibility.
 
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TLDR: A group of demon controlled elite might be controlling global politics for millennia and part of their agenda for the last however many years has been to push materialism. The best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
 
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Julian The Apostate said:
In general I’d say to start looking at the connections between the occult and modern intelligence agencies like the CIA, Mossad, and KGB. Also the founding members of the CIA like Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush. Also that group had some pretty interesting connections with Nazi germany who also have a lot of lore with the occult. Also secret organizations like the Skull and Bones etc.

Also check out anti-gravity research of people like Thomas Townsend Brown and Lou Witten and Freeman Dyson. Also notethe list of anti-gravity researchers that have died post 1960’s under mysterious circumstances.

There is not shortcut other than putting the time in and doing your own research other than what a controlled media is telling you. You seem too inconvenienced to even listen to an hour long podcast so I don’t hold out too much hope for you being able to piece this all together.
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I'm going to mostly ignore this because it doesn't answer anything and is just telling me to look into it. You and the others have no idea how much I have looked into all this, because you assume that since I don't believe any of it that I haven't put in any effort. True, I don't read or listen to every single crackpot MFF posts, because not a single one that I have put effort into has panned out, but I've done a lot more research than the average person. As much as you guys? No, probably not even close. But that's because you see one inconclusive interview with zero proof, you've seen them all.
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He's not going to look into any of it. He comes to this thread to troll while he beats his pud.
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Go read my first post in this very thread. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong about aliens in particular, because I've always had a love of space. I keep reading this thread because maybe, someday, something will happen that isn't a complete letdown. I'll admit I make a sarcastic or derisive comment on occasion, but come on, some of the idiocy that gets posted here demands I say something about it! Aside from that, I'm not trolling at all.
Julian The Apostate said:
I thought exactly like you do a couple years ago. Just people being naturally shitty and greedy to each other. Then I realized non human intelligence exists and there is a reasonable case to be made for that. I think one type of NHI seems to be both good and bad spiritual entities that exist in another dimension that can also manifest in our physical reality. These entities are also responsible for and/or likely somehow related to ghosts, poltergeist phenomenon, cryptids, possession, the alien abduction phenomena, and on and on and on. Our ancestors called them angels and demons but they have presented themselves differently to people depending on their culture, beliefs, and time periods.

Our ancestors called them angels and demons but they have appeared to all people of all time periods but were called different things and appeared in different ways based on the beliefs and time period of the experiencer. I think it’s possible that when people see aliens today they might be the same entities as just manifesting as what we think are aliens. Basically these might be what our ancestors called demons lying to us am making us think they’re extra terrestrial aliens from another planet. Whatever they are they seem to have complete mastery and control of spacetime

What-ever these thing are they are real, they exist. You can use ritual magic to communicate with them. Witches and voodoo shamans have been doing this shit for millennia cursing people and whatever the fuck else. I think parts of our governments have been communicating with these entities and using them and getting used and manipulated by them. I think they play a huge part in global war, economics, politics in general.

I think these entities work more from manipulating humanity to do their dirty work. Also I think(and hope) that there is an equal amount of good entities but unfortunately it is very easy to manipulate a few people at the top that control world politics.

My most optimistic interpretation of this is that the good ones can’t hope to help humanity unless more of us wake up to this strange reality and figure out what the fuck is going on and how this clown world actually works.

Edit: Or I may have gotten lost in a wild psyops echo chamber, don’t think I haven’t considered it! 😂
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First, I appreciate you taking the time to put your thoughts down after your first response. Despite what Moog and others might think, I don't engage to troll. If I wanted to troll I'd just respond with something dismissive instead of asking you for your reasoning.

To address what you said here, the very first part is where I hit a stumbling block. "Then I realized non human intelligence exists." I never realized that, nor has anything ever convinced me of that fact. You are basing everything on that lynchpin. I'm not saying you can't do whatever you want and come to your own conclusions, but we can't even begin debating the rest of the stuff if I don't agree with that basic tenet.

I would suggest that what you talk about, angels and demons, aliens, ghosts, cryptids, witchdoctors and curses, etc. are all just humans coming up with explanations for things they can't explain or don't want to believe. No one wants to believe that the girl nextdoor picked Barnabus over them back in the olden days, so it must have been a curse. Now we don't have that sort of thing much, outside of women's facebook groups, but instead we have UFOs.

Referring back to your first response to me, I'm not going to bother asking you how you came to the conclusion that NHI exist, much less that they are actively influencing our world over millennia, because you're right, I'm not going to "do the research" because everything I've done over the many years of my life has indicated (to me) that they don't exist. I'm assuming that you can't just summarize why you believe, particularly since it is probably something you came to over many years just like I did. But yeah, if we can't get past that first step, of course we are never going to agree on the rest.

As far as the echo chamber, except for Araysar coming in every few months when he's bored, without me that is exactly what this thread would be. It seems to me that if you (not you, you actually respond in a reasonable manner, the generic FoH "you") can't take a little criticism and questioning, then maybe the echo chamber isn't as sturdy as you'd like. But maybe that's what everyone wants, to just be able to spout crazy shit and not be asked to support it even a little bit?

Thanks again for responding. You don't need to answer back with anything, as I'm sure we'll just have to agree to disagree in the end.
 
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Hearing rumblings that an interstellar object (Atlas?) is on course to intercept Earth in 2027. Lot of folks think it's extraterrestrials. If it really is just a rock, it's got the potential to slam into Earth like a bullet. Hopefully it's a ship instead, full of peaceful creatures that just want to tell us all the secrets of the universe and the trick to immortality. Or we just get savagely dinosaur'd by Lavos. Who knows.

I never really bought that Oumuamua was just a rock, given the behavior it exhibited. I think most people were just programmed to think of it like a rock because every news article about it everywhere showed a CGI rendering of a long space rock at the top of the article, despite that we never actually saw it up close in any way.
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You’re on a giant rocket in space paying taxes to pedofiles you don’t need aliens to tell you that.
 
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Void said:
I'm going to mostly ignore this because it doesn't answer anything and is just telling me to look into it. You and the others have no idea how much I have looked into all this, because you assume that since I don't believe any of it that I haven't put in any effort. True, I don't read or listen to every single crackpot MFF posts, because not a single one that I have put effort into has panned out, but I've done a lot more research than the average person. As much as you guys? No, probably not even close. But that's because you see one inconclusive interview with zero proof, you've seen them all.

Go read my first post in this very thread. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong about aliens in particular, because I've always had a love of space. I keep reading this thread because maybe, someday, something will happen that isn't a complete letdown. I'll admit I make a sarcastic or derisive comment on occasion, but come on, some of the idiocy that gets posted here demands I say something about it! Aside from that, I'm not trolling at all.
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Void said:
I'm going to mostly ignore this because it doesn't answer anything and is just telling me to look into it. You and the others have no idea how much I have looked into all this, because you assume that since I don't believe any of it that I haven't put in any effort. True, I don't read or listen to every single crackpot MFF posts, because not a single one that I have put effort into has panned out, but I've done a lot more research than the average person. As much as you guys? No, probably not even close. But that's because you see one inconclusive interview with zero proof, you've seen them all.

Go read my first post in this very thread. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong about aliens in particular, because I've always had a love of space. I keep reading this thread because maybe, someday, something will happen that isn't a complete letdown. I'll admit I make a sarcastic or derisive comment on occasion, but come on, some of the idiocy that gets posted here demands I say something about it! Aside from that, I'm not trolling at all.

First, I appreciate you taking the time to put your thoughts down after your first response. Despite what Moog and others might think, I don't engage to troll. If I wanted to troll I'd just respond with something dismissive instead of asking you for your reasoning.

To address what you said here, the very first part is where I hit a stumbling block. "Then I realized non human intelligence exists." I never realized that, nor has anything ever convinced me of that fact. You are basing everything on that lynchpin. I'm not saying you can't do whatever you want and come to your own conclusions, but we can't even begin debating the rest of the stuff if I don't agree with that basic tenet.

I would suggest that what you talk about, angels and demons, aliens, ghosts, cryptids, witchdoctors and curses, etc. are all just humans coming up with explanations for things they can't explain or don't want to believe. No one wants to believe that the girl nextdoor picked Barnabus over them back in the olden days, so it must have been a curse. Now we don't have that sort of thing much, outside of women's facebook groups, but instead we have UFOs.

Referring back to your first response to me, I'm not going to bother asking you how you came to the conclusion that NHI exist, much less that they are actively influencing our world over millennia, because you're right, I'm not going to "do the research" because everything I've done over the many years of my life has indicated (to me) that they don't exist. I'm assuming that you can't just summarize why you believe, particularly since it is probably something you came to over many years just like I did. But yeah, if we can't get past that first step, of course we are never going to agree on the rest.

As far as the echo chamber, except for Araysar coming in every few months when he's bored, without me that is exactly what this thread would be. It seems to me that if you (not you, you actually respond in a reasonable manner, the generic FoH "you") can't take a little criticism and questioning, then maybe the echo chamber isn't as sturdy as you'd like. But maybe that's what everyone wants, to just be able to spout crazy shit and not be asked to support it even a little bit?

Thanks again for responding. You don't need to answer back with anything, as I'm sure we'll just have to agree to disagree in the end.
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All well and good but I’m not going to engage with you anymore and you can do your best Statler and Waldorf impersonation into the void to your heart’s content.
 
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Moogalak

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Pharazon2 said:
Nope - analysis of the Vera C. Rubin data estimates the nucleus to be 7 miles in diameter. Roughly same size as Rama btw...

www.livescience.com

3I/ATLAS is 7 miles wide — the largest interstellar object ever seen — new photos from Vera C. Rubin Observatory reveal

Detailed photos from the newly operational Vera C. Rubin Observatory have revealed that the recently discovered interstellar object 3I/ATLAS is roughly 7 miles wide, making it the largest of its kind ever seen.
www.livescience.com www.livescience.com
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Updated article, looks like 320m - 5km diameter estimate from Hubble

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Hubble makes size estimate of interstellar comet

A team of astronomers has taken the sharpest-ever picture of the unexpected interstellar comet 3I/ATLAS, using the crisp vision of the NASA/ESA Hubble Space Telescope.
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