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The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown
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I've been reading the Gods of Eden (1989) by William Bramley after John Lear recommended it on Art Bell's show. It's an interesting speculative book and deep dive into the historical accounts of UFOs and what some religious/spiritual events in human lore could be interpreted as UFOs.
- Ch. 18 The Black Death p 179 can be found on page 187 of the ebook pdf. I own the physical copy, but I found an online version to share with yall. I highly recommend reading that chapter because it's a fascinating perspective.
I'll try to summarize it here:
- The Black Death was a combination of bubonic plague spread by pests and pnuemonic plague, bubonic plague is not contagious between people, but pnuemonic is).
- Before the Black Death and outbreaks of Cholera between the 14th and 18th centuries, there are reported first-hand accounts of *mists* and *fogs* being spread over major metropolitan areas.
- It is theorized that these mists were actually chemical warfare tested on humans.
- There are hundreds of reports of "comets" before each of the outbreaks of the Black Death, however a comet in the 1300s was essentially a UFO. It did not mean a shooting star or something seen only briefly for a few seconds. Some cigar shaped comets reportedly stayed in the horizon for weeks.
- The tools used to disperse the chemicals, in one direct report, was interpreted as a hooded figure with a scythe (as a fuedal worker wouldnt know what a chemical spraying machine is), and that is where the idea of Death being a hooded figure with a scythe comes from.
I am aware that there is some retconning here from modern medical community. Modern medicine interprets this as "smell causes sickness" which is known as Miasma Theory. This can be pretty dismissive though, because sprayed chemicals can also cause sickness (Agent Orange for example). Now this was before germ theory. Miasma Theory is the idea that because something stinks, then it causes sickness, etc, but idk, these supposed first hand reports do not describe people getting sick then stinking, they describe rolling fogs and mist that come *before* outbreaks of the black death. You have to do some mental gymnastics to think that's the same thing as Miasma Theory. Here is a good short clip (time stamped) about Bob Lazar on Joe Rogan on healthy skepticism.
The chapter goes in depth, and it's a really fun/interesting read.
- Ch. 18 The Black Death p 179 can be found on page 187 of the ebook pdf. I own the physical copy, but I found an online version to share with yall. I highly recommend reading that chapter because it's a fascinating perspective.
I'll try to summarize it here:
- The Black Death was a combination of bubonic plague spread by pests and pnuemonic plague, bubonic plague is not contagious between people, but pnuemonic is).
- Before the Black Death and outbreaks of Cholera between the 14th and 18th centuries, there are reported first-hand accounts of *mists* and *fogs* being spread over major metropolitan areas.
- It is theorized that these mists were actually chemical warfare tested on humans.
- There are hundreds of reports of "comets" before each of the outbreaks of the Black Death, however a comet in the 1300s was essentially a UFO. It did not mean a shooting star or something seen only briefly for a few seconds. Some cigar shaped comets reportedly stayed in the horizon for weeks.
- The tools used to disperse the chemicals, in one direct report, was interpreted as a hooded figure with a scythe (as a fuedal worker wouldnt know what a chemical spraying machine is), and that is where the idea of Death being a hooded figure with a scythe comes from.
I am aware that there is some retconning here from modern medical community. Modern medicine interprets this as "smell causes sickness" which is known as Miasma Theory. This can be pretty dismissive though, because sprayed chemicals can also cause sickness (Agent Orange for example). Now this was before germ theory. Miasma Theory is the idea that because something stinks, then it causes sickness, etc, but idk, these supposed first hand reports do not describe people getting sick then stinking, they describe rolling fogs and mist that come *before* outbreaks of the black death. You have to do some mental gymnastics to think that's the same thing as Miasma Theory. Here is a good short clip (time stamped) about Bob Lazar on Joe Rogan on healthy skepticism.
The chapter goes in depth, and it's a really fun/interesting read.
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I remember hearing about this and I think there were tons of reports of people seeing actual weird hooded figures around where the outbreaks of plague were occurring.
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I think it’s pretty common to look at our ancestors and say “they’re so stupid!” But the plague wasn’t that long ago. 1347-1750’s. Barely older than USA as a country.
The oldest anatomically modern human fossil is about 200k years old. (The one found in Morocco in 315k is proto homo sapien, but not modern human or homo sapiens sapiens).
The ancient Greeks in 6th century BCE figured out the atom, the underlying breakdown that sickness was caused by natural order and not by magic or religious spirituality, that mathematics is a fundamental foundation of all natural law, etc, that the earth was round and possibly heliocentric. Etc.
A lot of the “humans are stupid” regressive content comes into play from Islam and Christianity repressing people because at the same time the Greeks were teaching this, Judaism was thriving just 800 miles to the southeast in the Levant.
The Black Plague was first reported in China in 1333, then by 1347 it had reached England. And a lot of these first hand reports are all across the Old World: not exclusive to hyper religiously oppressed northwest Europe.
I think these early reports could know the difference between “sickness causes smell!” And there’s a mist that always predates outbreaks of the Black Death. That’s weird isn’t it? It’s so abnormal and so consistent that we made sure to document it several times across nations and centuries.
Due to the oppressive natural of the Inquisition in Europe (1200s-1700s), if you voiced your opinion as anything other than what the church approves of specifically, you’d be ostracized, tortured, or executed, so a lot of criticism and skepticism towards anything that wasn’t inherently a Christian worldview was suppressed. Not that it didn’t exist. And the understanding that these sicknesses could be caused by other figures is part of the oppression and modern historians perspectives that humans in the Middle Ages were retards.
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Headline writers are not the same people who are journalists or write the articles. They’re marketing hires that pick buzz words that people google search and thinks to engage interest and clicks on an article.
i hate MSM headlines for this reason.
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Let me make sure I'm understanding this correctly. You went on at length about how humans in history weren't as dumb as they are made out to be, which ok, I can go along with that. At least, a tiny percent of the population was pretty smart, just like today. The majority during any time period are definitely retarded, but a few are always smart enough to continue progress, etc.
But then you say that the Black Death and other plagues could have been caused by strange figures spreading a mist? I'm not seeing how that follows from the rest of your argument. That's what I would expect the retard faction of humanity to think, not the smart few.
Furthermore, where is this evidence that "there's a mist that always predates outbreaks of the Black Death?" Other than general hysteria about "miasma" and shit, that's a new one for me.
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I don't believe this, these are just first-hand reports that were addressed in this book (linked above w/ page number and pdf).
Now a mist or fog predating outbreaks of the Black Death, sure, I can accept that being reported. Was that caused by someone spraying chemical agents? I'm not convinced, but some of these reports can be interpreted as space aliens or other dimensional beings causing chemical agents to dessiminate in the same manner as agent orange. The evidence is only first-hand accounts. Not saying it's reliable. It's more ancient astronaut theory stuff.
To be clear: I am not convinced space aliens have contacted humans or come to Earth. I am not saying they have or haven't, but rather I am not convinced they have at this time. However, I like discussing these fringe ideas, as I'm sure we all do.
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Ok, thank you for clarifying. There is little enough of that in this thread, so I'm usually forced to jump to conclusions.
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Just eat the cake fren.Ok, thank you for clarifying. There is little enough of that in this thread, so I'm usually forced to jump to conclusions.
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Ok, thank you for clarifying. There is little enough of that in this thread, so I'm usually forced to jump to conclusions.
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Cellphones in the pocket can still be accessed if there is a battery in it. Even if its turned off. Military has this tech, I guarantee the Intelligence community has this tech, also.
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