The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

Seb: "This Draw Muhammad event was obviously a political protest."

Repeating this doesn't make it so. Besides, even if it WAS, it only made the problem worse, which supports my point.

Seb: "There is no question about it. It was a political protest. Feel free to google the definitions for 'politics' and 'protest' if you need to. I can also take your hand and explain to you what these people were specifically protesting, and how those things are political. Let me know what you need.

And no, they did not make the problem worse."



I'd like to take you seriously, Seb, I really would, but how can I? You've repeatedly bent over backwards in ridiculous attempts to justify "acting like an asshole" as productive. You think mocking and ridicule is a reasonable way to educate people. You think antagonizing and pissing off your enemies is noble and just. You're just so fucking backwards that I honestly don't even know how to address you any more. You are so deeply entrenched in your ideological nonsense that you are virtually indistinguishable from the SJWs you loathe, the only difference being the causes you choose to busybody about.

Here's the definition of "political protest" I've been using:

"Political protest is the kind of political activity, eg, demonstrations, strikes and even VIOLENCE, usually but not always undertaken by those who lack access to the resources of organized PRESSURE GROUPS, or by those whose values conflict sharply with those of the dominant ELITE." (Emphasis not mine)

Muslim extremists are not the dominant elite. They do not have power over us. They are not oppressing us, even though they'd love to be able to, I'm sure. The Boston tea Party was a political protest. Occupy Wall Street was a political protest. The Draw Mohammed Contest was a "fuck you" to Muslims. It increased tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims, it led to violence, and it almost certainly contributed to the recruitment of more extremists. So yes, Seb, it did make the problem worse.

Lejina: "Well right now whenever a woman cries rape, whoever it is directed to is considered guilty of the crime by the population at large before any proceedings are started."

Population at large? Not if this board is any indication.

Seananigans: "Drinking to excess around the opposite sex really only has one purpose in our society. It is undoubtedly to facilitate the sexings. To argue otherwise is ignorant and naive."

Ha ha ha holy shit.

Thanks for stopping by, Doc. You're always welcome.

Still doesn't make them the dominant elite (not even close).

Quaid: "The only thing that distinguishes a group as 'elite' is their possession of various kinds of power. Power is situational. You are incorrect."

Muslim extremists have no power over us, situational or otherwise. They are not the dominant elite.

No, Seb, I have no interest in arguing semantics as far as defining "political protest" is concerned. I will say, however, that the definition I chose was in fact recognized and accepted by Quaid, so your "it's not recognized by anyone here" crack is incorrect.

I will remind you that I have already stated several times that EVEN IF the Draw Mohammed Contest does count as a protest, it's a terrible and counterproductive one. Going out of your way to piss off other people is stupid and pointless. You can use all the mental gymnastics you like to call a fish a bird, but trying to "gotcha!" me on the definition of political protest is a tangent that doesn't in any way contradict my fundamental point: Being an asshole makes problems worse, not better. I know in your fantasy world this is not the case, and you see yourself as a valiant warrior of justice using your powers of obnoxiousness and antagonism for the greater good, but here in the real world you're just an asshole.

I'm not treating Muslims like children. I'm just saying that what you think was a productive political protest was actually a pointless, childish act designed to provoke anger. It did more harm than good and you can't just pretend that's not the case because "the Muslims are for realz the bad guys so they tooootally deserve it", you fucking child.

Quaid: "Well Seb, he is willing to hold positions like this, so I'm not sure a meaningful conversation is possible.

I bet the people buried under the WTC feel super powerful right now."

Classy.

It's already illegal to use violence to infringe on people's rights. You get that, right? You don't have to protest against something that isn't broken. We've got our free speech and it isn't going anywhere, CERTAINLY not for any Muslim extremists. They can threaten, they can kill, and every time they do so they will end up dead or in jail. Crazy, violent people exist and are terrible. But they have no power over our way of life. Funny you mention 9/11, since after the attack Americans' rights WERE infringed upon... by the government. Protesting the Patriot Act would be a political protest, since it actually takes a stance against actual violations of Americans' rights by the dominant elite.

It seems to me like you and Seb are just trying to make the argument about how bad Muslim extremists are, as if that were up for debate or something. You seem to think that if you explain clearly enough how BAD they are, that unproductive and pointless shit-disturbing is justified and somehow (magically?) helping. That's not the world we live in, even if you wish it were so.