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This makes as much sense as the people who define racism as "prejudice + power".
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Also, wtf gives you the right to decide that this protest, which was nonviolent, is wrong? Even if you don't directly approve of this method of protest, you should at least be able to recognize that THEY see it as a protest. Seeing as it is, again, non-violent and wasn't shoving it into anyone's face (they weren't forcing muslims to visit it), as a progressive you should at least err on the side of the protestors.
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Quaid: "I'm actually not suggesting that. The constitution doesn't have to be 'changed' for an American's rights to be infringed upon. If the American populace curtails their freedom under fear of violent reprisal, then yes, they are being subjected to oppressive force. A group peacefully protesting this infringement is entirely reasonable, especially if by its mere existence it incites the very thing they are protesting."
It's already illegal to infringe upon someone else's rights, ESPECIALLY through violence. How is this "protest" accomplishing anything?
It's already illegal to infringe upon someone else's rights, ESPECIALLY through violence. How is this "protest" accomplishing anything?
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It is already illegal to discriminate against women. Does that mean people aren't allowed to protest against discrimination?
Wtf are you even saying?
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I'm enjoying watching Tanoomba jump through all these hoops to avoid admitting that I'm right and crushed his bullshit argument with 3 words.
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Quaid: "And get ready for the next ten pages of defining the words 'politics' and 'protest'."
Ten pages? As I've already said, a political protest is an action taken against a DOMINANT ELITE. Muslim extremists are neither dominant nor an elite, ESPECIALLY in North America. Any redefining from this point is going to have to come from you.
Ten pages? As I've already said, a political protest is an action taken against a DOMINANT ELITE. Muslim extremists are neither dominant nor an elite, ESPECIALLY in North America. Any redefining from this point is going to have to come from you.
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This isn't the dictionary definition of a protest.
It isn't the wikipedia definition of a protest.
It isn't the colloquial definition of what most people think a protest is.
So where exactly are you getting this definition?
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I'll happily use his definition. Unfortunately for him, he's still wrong. Muslim extremists are a dominant elite class with regards to their willingness and ability to exercise coercion through physical force over the Western civilian population.
Violence is every bit a resource as social or economic influence.
Violence is every bit a resource as social or economic influence.
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Yikes. Well, at least he has a source and didn't directly pull it out of his ass.
However, that definition is, as I mentioned, exactly like the SJW definition of racism. Narrowly defined so that only everything agreeing with you can be counted as a protest. ESPECIALLY when you let them decide what "dominant elite" means and "power group". Muslims most definitely are a power group across the world in suppressing free speech.
However, that definition is, as I mentioned, exactly like the SJW definition of racism. Narrowly defined so that only everything agreeing with you can be counted as a protest. ESPECIALLY when you let them decide what "dominant elite" means and "power group". Muslims most definitely are a power group across the world in suppressing free speech.
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Quaid: "I'll happily use his definition. Unfortunately for him, he's still wrong. Muslim extremists are a dominant elite class with regards to their willingness and ability to exercise coercion through physical force over the Western civilian population.
Violence is every bit a resource as social or economic influence."
Again, gonna have to disagree. Willingness to use violence does not make one a "dominant elite".
Besides, you dodged my question: Since it's already illegal to infringe on people's rights (especially through violence), then what did the "protest" accomplish? Keep in mind you also haven't shown me that any Americans have "curtailed their freedom under fear of violent reprisal". I sure as fuck haven't seen that happening, but even if it was, you haven't explained how the contest didn't just make things worse.
It sounds to me like you're jumping through hoops and using mental gymnastics to spout half-truths and subjective misinterpretations in order to support an already feeble point in a silly effort to justify being an asshole towards people you don't like.
Violence is every bit a resource as social or economic influence."
Again, gonna have to disagree. Willingness to use violence does not make one a "dominant elite".
Besides, you dodged my question: Since it's already illegal to infringe on people's rights (especially through violence), then what did the "protest" accomplish? Keep in mind you also haven't shown me that any Americans have "curtailed their freedom under fear of violent reprisal". I sure as fuck haven't seen that happening, but even if it was, you haven't explained how the contest didn't just make things worse.
It sounds to me like you're jumping through hoops and using mental gymnastics to spout half-truths and subjective misinterpretations in order to support an already feeble point in a silly effort to justify being an asshole towards people you don't like.
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