The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

Agraza: "You (don't) get to have your own definitions for words. Neither does she. Encourage means something. If she's going to add all those caveats to what she means, then encourage is the wrong word to use."

I would agree with you if she didn't make it clear what she was talking about. If her speech started at the point Thunderf00t started quoting her, I would absolutely say that she was misrepresenting the game. But the thing is, she DOES make clear what she's talking about. Even if you disagree with how she used "encourage", she explicitly clarified what SHE meant by it, which means communication is clear. You can't redefine words after the fact to try to say "No, this is what I REALLY meant", but if you already clarified the context and intended interpretation of the terms you choose to use, then there isn't really any reason to bitch about her word choice. I think "encourages" works better than "allows you to" in this case due to the interactive and experimental nature of the medium. Developers know that players can and will do anything so they make efforts to surprise you and keep you on your toes by being one step ahead of you. Hideo Kojima fills his games with inside jokes most people will never notice, but because that's one of his trademarks you're totally implicitly encouraged to find them. Meta awareness of video games and the conventions we've come to expect from them absolutely effect how we play them and what developers expect us to do with them.

"My parents are such anchors. They're always holding me back and won't ever let me have any fun."
"WHAT??? That's not what an anchor is! An anchor is 'a heavy device that is attached to a boat or ship by a rope or chain and that is thrown into the water to hold the boat or ship in place'. Heck, even when used as a metaphor when describing people, it means 'a person or thing that provides strength and support'! You're a liar! A LIAR!"

"I don't like the fact she used the word 'encourage' in a way I generally don't associate it being used" is a far, FAR cry from "She's LYING!!! She's a LIAR!!!!"




Soygen: "Their(Tan and Sark) position is that since it's a game, everything you can do in it, is explicitly encouraged. It's a completely stupid interpretation, but it's one that Tanoomba has not budged from, for a year+ now. I can rip all the money up in Monopoly. It's encouraging me to derive perverse pleasure in destroying the currency."

Everything in a video game, EVERYTHING, was put there for a reason. Ripping up Monopoly money is not a feature of Monopoly in any sense of the word. Do you disagree with my earlier statement that in Super Mario, you're implicitly encouraged to move right?





Cad: "It's one of the stupider things Tanoomba does, redefine words until his original position is correct. Obviously if you accept arbitrary definitions for terms, then just about anything can be correct. Why not just redefine correct to be "could possibly be correct under certain circumstances" then we can just all be right and hold hands and be happy."

Well, one of the stupider things you do is completely ignore alternative points of view that don't fit your agenda. See my response to Agraza for why this "redefining words after the fact" argument is bullshit.

a_skeleton_02: "So I started a blog with my friend a couple weeks ago for the Game of Thrones card game that is coming out. I'm thinking of starting a patreon for shits and giggles and I need help giving it a slant. What would make more money pro or anti GG right now."

Skanda: "No question about it. Anti, those fucks are just as bad as Apple consumers with their money."

Agraza: "yea, aGG all the way. especially since GRRM is on that side of the hugo issue. you can reference his perspective as an appeal to authority."

Added bonus: GG will assume you're for real and find ways to use your words to make aGG/SJWs look bad. If they find out you were bullshitting, they'll just pull a "Poe's law!"

Agraza: "The subjectivity guarantees it's a losing proposition if your foundation is that everyone's perspective has equal merit. The solution is that they don't."

And rationally debating using logic and reason and, whenever possible, relevant evidence, is what elevates the merit of one perspective over another.
Ridicule and/or personal attacks never add merit to a perspective, and pretty much always reduce the quality of the discussion as a whole.

From the article linked by Siddar: "Why GamerGate Is Really A Liberal Identity Crisis"

"As an onlooker, I was neutral at first and put the blame equally on all sides. But I kept watching, and now, a year later, I feel that I can pass judgment the true nature of each side. The GamerGate community is working to rid itself of the negative elements and proved to be a culture based on fun, creativity, self exploration, the acceptance of the other, rational and critical thought, a dialogue based on listening to diverse views, and fighting the corrupt system."

Hmmm... I've certainly seen elements of GamerGate that fit this description pretty well. However, I've also seen elements (particularly the Sarkeesian smear campaign) that directly contradict several of those claims. Could it be that anti-Sareesianism is not actually a part of GamerGate? Let's read on...




"The SJW community, on the other hand, continues to be a piranha infested cesspool and a culture based on resentment, self-righteousness, the rejection of otherness, herd mentality, ideological thinking that discards facts, sweeping censorship, and hatred to all earthly pleasures except the pleasure of destroying anyone who disagrees with them."

How many of those describe the Anti-Sarkeesies? Let's check, shall we?

- Resentment? Oh yes.
- Self-righteousness? Absolutely.
- Rejection of otherness? Yuppers.
- Herd mentality? You'd better believe it.
- Ideological thinking that discards facts? Fuck yes.
- Sweeping censorship? Well, to be fair, Anti-Sarkeesies only try to silence Anita by attempting to destroy her professionally, that's not exactly "sweeping" censorship. I'll give 'em a pass.
- Hatred to all earthly pleasures except the pleasure of destroying anyone who disagrees with them? A thousand times YES.

There you have it, folks. Anti-Sarkeesies are not a part of GamerGate, according to this article. In fact, it would seem that Anti-Sarkeesies are SJWs, at least according to the definitive traits observed in both "piranha infested cesspools". Who knew?

Mist: "SJWs are literally the same kind of shit-flingers they're fighting against."

See? Mist gets it.

Agraza: "Anti-Sarkeesians were just right before it was cool, and we should be thankful they were prepared to bravely call bullshit so early."

They were never right, and still aren't. The people who actually criticized her work by making valid counter-arguments to the points she made were right. The people shouting "Liar! Fraud! Con artist!" were (are) resentful, self-righteous, ideological busybodies whose only goal is to destroy someone that disagrees with them.

Cad: "As long as you realize "rape culture" is something completely made up and nonsensical, and then accuse us of apologizing for it by defending free speech, then sure... sorry for disturbing your... thoughts, I guess."

Gavinmad: "I don't apologize for rape culture. Rape culture is absolutely vile. There is no rape culture in America. Rape culture is India, or any Muslim country."

Have the tryouts to replace Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels started already?

Wormie: "Its about the fact that the mods, who are supposed to be impartial,"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fury (to Wormie): "The reality is there are only about three people who's opinions matter on this board, and you aren't one of them."

Wait... who are the other two?

Phazael: "So yeah, he is an asshole, but I think some people are more openly flustered because we all know deep down we ran that same joke through the back of our minds (yay rape culture!), but unlike Wormie, we actually have a part of our brains that says "nope, that's too much of an asshole thing to say" and kept that shit to ourselves."

Phazael confirmed pro-censorship.