The Tanoubliette: Pussy Hurt and Delusions or TTPHAD for short.

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Quaid

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Yeah, I think censorious authoritarian ideologues giving presentations to one of the largest global governing bodies is no big deal, right? Certainly these people influencing international law is totally kosher.

Just chill out guys, there's nothing to be concerned about. Stop handwringing you bunch of busybodies!
 

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Yeah, I think censorious authoritarian ideologues giving presentations to one of the largest global governing bodies is no big deal, right? Certainly these people influencing international law is totally kosher.

Just chill out guys, there's nothing to be concerned about. Stop handwringing you bunch of busybodies!
Concern about misogyny in video games? Legitimate criticism, every right to be concerned.

Concerned about a massively influential global body actively asking governments to control and censor the largest platform of free speech in human history? Max handwringing busy body foolishness!


Just Tanoomba things.
 

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Chan: "It's one of the early videos Anita did where she directly talks about Hitman-"

Lies.
Well, I'm willing to hear you out here Tanoomba. Why do you think she's not talking about Hitman when it looks like she's talking about the very scene that is playing while she talks?
 

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The better question to ask is "Why was this topic on page 150 of the Gamergate thread, and its not 12 months and 1000 + pages later, and Tanoomba still can't get over how wrong he is about Anita talking about Hitman?"

I'm serious.

Its like some sort of weird light switch got flipped in his brain in regards to this topic and every since he's just fixated upon it and cannot stop bringing it up, coming back to it, trying desperately to convince people he MUST be right about a subject for which he is so demonstrably wrong all you have to do is link the video and every person that watches it reaches the conclusion Erronius has reached.

Literally no one, not even Anita, agrees with him that she wasn't talking about Hitman when she was talking about Hitman.

Its a signal of a serious mental illness.
 

Tanoomba

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Erronius: "Well, I'm willing to hear you out here Tanoomba. Why do you think she's not talking about Hitman when it looks like she's talking about the very scene that is playing while she talks?"

Here's the explanation that has yet to be refuted:
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?6488-GamerGate-A-Problematic-Debate&p=866289&viewfull=1#post866289

Here's where it gets reiterated:
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?6488-GamerGate-A-Problematic-Debate&p=969261&viewfull=1#post969261



But hey, let's play a little game: Read this paragraph of Sarkeesian's own words and tell me at what point she begins to talk about Hitman:

I should note that this kind of misogynistic behavior isn't always mandatory. Often, it's player-directed, but it is always implicitly encouraged.... Games ask us to play with them. Now that may seem obvious but bear with me. Game developers set up a series of rules, and then within those rules, we're invited to test the mechanics to see what we can do and what we can't do. We are encouraged to see how the system will react or respond to our inputs and figure out what is permitted and what is not. The play comes from figuring out the boundaries and possibilities within the game space. So in many of the titles we've been discussing, the game makers have set up a series of possible scenarios involving vulnerable, eroticized female characters. Players are then invited to explore and exploit those situation during their playthrough. The player can not help but treat these female bodies as "things" to be acted upon because they were designed, constructed and placed into the environment for that very purpose. Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters. It's a rush streaming from a carefully-concocted mix of sexual arousal connected to the act of controlling and punishing representations of female sexuality. In-game consequences for these violations are trivial at best and rarely lead to any kind of fail state or game over. (Clip of Fallout:New Vegas where female civilian is killed, reputation takes a hit and you are demoted to "good-natured rascal") Sometimes areas may go on high alert for a few minutes, during which players have to lay low or hide before the game or its characters forget that you just murdered a sexualized woman in cold blood. These temporary game states are implemented so that acts of violence against NPCs committed by players do not inconvenience or interfere too much with the core gaming experience. "High alert" serves as a faux punishment that doesn't really ruin the fun, and is in fact actually designed and intended to provide an added rush to the game experience as players try to avoid or mow down law enforcement AI. Returning to the GTA franchise: You can buy a prostituted woman, use her for sex, gain the health and stat boost, then murder her to get your money back. If caught by the police, the screen will fade to black and, five seconds later, your character will be standing outside the police station, minus a few dollars or items. But, you're free to go about your business as if nothing happened. Other popular sandbox games employ similar character revival methods.
 

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The date on the link Tanoomba posted

10-12-2014

Today's date

10-5-2015

I rest my case. Its like some weird switch got flipped in his head and he has been incapable of just admitting he is wrong for a year now. Its not stubborness, he's just lost his fucking mind on this issue.

To his position on the subject

In that post from a year ago, he claims this

"Thunderf00t starts off by saying "This is how she describes Hitman: Absolution". This is already objectively a misrepresentation, if not an outright lie. She was not talking about Hitman but about several games that put you in situations where you can kill sexualized female characters."

His argument is "Because she was talking about other games in a 30 minute video, she wasn't REALLY talking about Hitman.

This is a form of reverse sharpshooter fallacy, where he's pointing to all the cases where she doesn't talk about Hitman to rebut the claim she also talked about Hitman. This is completely ignoring the actual point Thunderfoot was making in order to engage in a sophistry laden defense of his sweaty fart producing machine.

Just because she was also talking about other games, doesn't mean she didn't talk about Hitman, and just because she was addressing broader concerns in the industry from her point of view, does not mean she didn't intentionally misrepresent Hitman. In fact, the point Thunderfoot, and others, are making is that she misrepresented Hitman, and she is also misrepresenting the other games, but the Hitman case is the most egregious, and thus makes a good example case for how she is being dishonest in her misrepresentation.

Tanoomba needs to ignore this fact, has to ignore it. So much so that he literally has created a blind spot in his vision where HE CANNOT EVEN SEE IT.

Let's look at this statement by Tanoomba

"Anita is NOT saying Hitman is telling gamers "Hey, kill these strippers"."

She explicitly says that this is what Hitman is doing. This is a good example of how he simply filters out information he doesn't agree with to attempt to cling to his tenuous and unfounded, false worldview on this subject.

Here's the quote by her explicitly stating this

"Players are meant to derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters. "

"Players are meant"

We're going to get super pedantic here to demonstrate how pedantic Tanoomba is

"Are" is defined as

Word Origin
verb
1.
present indicative plural and 2nd person singular of be.

The definition of "be" relavent to this discussion is defined as

"(used as a copula to introduce or form interrogative or imperative sentences):
Is that right? Be quiet! Don't be facetious."

The sentence uses the imperative present indicative plural of "be" to indicate a statement of imperative action, aka literally this indicates compulsion on the actions of the subject of the term "are", which is the "Players"

"meant" is defined as

verb
1.
simple past tense and past participle of mean.

"mean" is defined as

verb (used with object), meant, meaning.
1.
to have in mind as one's purpose or intention; intend:
I meant to compliment you on your work.
Synonyms: contemplate.
2.
to intend for a particular purpose, destination, etc.:
They were meant for each other.
Synonyms: destine, foreordain.
3.
to intend to express or indicate:
What do you mean by "liberal"?
4.
to have as its sense or signification; signify:
The word "freedom" means many things to many people.
Synonyms: denote, indicate; import, imply, connote.
5.
to bring, cause, or produce as a result:
This bonus means that we can take a trip to Florida.
6.
to have (certain intentions) toward a person:
He didn't mean you any harm.

Virtually every single one of these definitions includes a imperative action as their object, in this case the object is "derive a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting virtual female characters"

There is literally no universe of the English language where the statement, which Tanoomba himself has quoted, is not interpreted as an imperative action being compelled upon the players by the game designers.

This is definitional and completely unrefutable by Tanoomba.

This demonstrates that Thunderfoot's interpretation of her statement is correct, that Tanoomba is wrong, and that Tanoomba's LITERAL YEAR LONG OBSESSION ON THIS SUBJECT is a serious sign that he is fucking insane and simply cannot accept that he was wrong on this subject.

He goes on to engage in essentially "I'm rubber you're glue" arguments, where he accuses Thunderfoot of doing what Sarkeesian actually did, aka cherry picking the gameplay elements that support his position, declaring that Thunderfoot's case is "full of holes" as a result. The reality is that Thunderfoot was demonstrating only that Sarkeesian was cherry picking the data set she wanted to use to justify her case, by showing alternative data sets she ignored. Thunderfoot's video is a REACTION to her video. She is the one who set the framework of the debate, therefore accusing Thunderfoot of "ignoring" her data set, when he was actively pointing to the holes in her data set, is the height of asininity.

Tanoomba, I hope you enjoy the (hopefully) permanent ban coming your way soon, because you have fucking earned it. Earned it so hard, you cowardly, immature, pathetic, ignoramus moron cuck.
 

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Here is a video by Thunderfoot from a month ago debunking flaws in Kent Hovind's argument regarding continents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DanPOPBsOao&ab_channel=Thunderf00t

Compare that to any Thunderfoot video on the Gamergate subject, and you'll find that he addresses both in similar tone and in similar fashion.

This rebuts Tanoomba's claim that Thunderfoot is egregiously insulting and out of line with his criticism of Anita. He treats Anita and Hovind essentially the same: He takes their statements, demonstrates how they are mistaken, and rebuts their claims with factual information relating the errors in their thinking.

I'm absolutely certain Tanoomba has never watched a full Thunderfoot video, much less watched several of his videos on both subjects to compare them. If he did he wouldn't admit he was wrong, of course, but he'll never admit that on the subject of Anita.

He's too emotionally invested in his defense of her.

But the reality is that Thunderfoot treats Feminists and Creationists in similar fashion....because they are functionally equivalent, error filled, religious world views with no basis in substance and factual reality.
 

Cad

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You're just giving him exactly what he wants by re-engaging him on this Anita/Hitman shit. He's been trolling us for a year+, acting stupid on here and getting us salty about him doing so is his entertainment for the evening. I suggest you deny it to him, sirs.
 

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I made those posts for Erronius' benefit, but you're right, of course.
Bringing Erronius up to speed on the Hitman thing does not benefit him. He's just added to the list of victims who have endured this topic.
 

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Basically what Tanoomba is doing now is if enough people don't come in here and talk to him then he spreads out on other threads and says enough dumb shit until people do engage him, then he'll retreat back in here until his traffic slows down then he'll come out again. It's too bad message boards have to be infected with this type of shit, but I don't think banning him would really do any good. Really we as a userbase just need to wise up and ignore this type of shitposting.
 

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Tuco said they're considering all options for punishment for the person who wins the asshat of the year award, up to and including permanent bans.

That's where the ban comment came from.
 

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Erronius: "Well, I'm willing to hear you out here Tanoomba. Why do you think she's not talking about Hitman when it looks like she's talking about the very scene that is playing while she talks?"

Here's the explanation that has yet to be refuted:
http://www.rerolled.org/showthread.php?6488-GamerGate-A-Problematic-Debate&p=866289&viewfull=1#post866289
I guess I'm dubious, since it seems like you're trying to disassociate her words from the video of Hitman as if they didn't have anything to do with each other. Why only text? Did Thunderfoot misrepresent Anita and doctor the footage, such that the Hitman footage wasn't originally playing as she spoke those words? And if that WAS the original clip that was playing in the background, how can you argue that she wasn't talking about Hitman when she's talking about games in general and then shows Hitman footage? Seems to me like Hitman would fall under the umbrella of her argument, and not by accident either.
 
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