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http://www.haaretz.com/news/national...emium-1.496519

Israel Admits Birth Control Program for Ethiopians

A government official has for the first time acknowledged the practice of injecting women of Ethiopian origin with the long-acting contraceptive Depo-Provera.

Health Ministry Director General Prof. Ron Gamzu has instructed the four health maintenance organizations to stop the practice as a matter of course.

The ministry and other state agencies had previously denied knowledge or responsibility for the practice, which was first reported five years ago.

Gamzu?s letter instructs all gynecologists in the HMOs "not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.?

He also instructed physicians to avail themselves of translators if need be.

Gamzu?s letter came in response to a letter from Sharona Eliahu-Chai of the Association of Civil Rights in Israel, representing several women?s rights and Ethiopian immigrants? groups. The letter demanded the injections cease immediately and that an investigation be launched into the practice.

About six weeks ago, on an Educational Television program journalist Gal Gabbay revealed the results of interviews with 35 Ethiopian immigrants. The women?s testimony could help explain the almost 50-percent decline over the past 10 years in the birth rate of Israel?s Ethiopian community. According to the program, while the women were still in transit camps in Ethiopia they were sometimes intimidated or threatened into taking the injection. ?They told us they are inoculations,? said one of the women interviewed. ?They told us people who frequently give birth suffer. We took it every three months. We said we didn?t want to.?
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NAZARETH, Israel // Health officials in Israel are subjecting many female Ethiopian immigrants to a controversial long-term birth control drug in what Israeli women's groups allege is a racist policy to reduce the number of black babies. The contraceptive, known as Depo Provera, which is given by injection every three months, is considered by many doctors as a birth control method of last resort because of problems treating its side effects.

However, according to a report published last week, use of the contraceptive by Israeli doctors has risen threefold over the past few years. Figures show that 57 per cent of Depo Provera users in Israel are Ethiopian, even though the community accounts for less than two per cent of the total population. About 90,000 Ethiopians have been brought to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has subsequently been questioned by some rabbis and is doubted by many ordinary Israelis.

Ethiopians are reported to face widespread discrimination in jobs, housing and education and it recently emerged that their blood donations were routinely discarded. "This is about reducing the number of births in a community that is black and mostly poor," said Hedva Eyal, the author of the report by Woman to Woman, a feminist organisation based in Haifa, in northern Israel. "The unspoken policy is that only children who are white and Ashkenazi are wanted in Israel," she said, referring to the term for European Jews who founded Israel and continue to dominate its institutions.

Women's groups were alerted to the widespread use of Depo Provera in the Ethiopian community in 2008 when Rachel Mangoli, who runs a day care centre for 120 Ethiopian children in Bnei Braq, a suburb of Tel Aviv, observed that she had received only one new child in the previous three years. "I started to think about how strange the situation was after I had to send back donated baby clothes because there was no one in the community to give them to," she said.

She approached a local health clinic serving the 55 Ethiopian families in Bnei Braq and was told by the clinic manager that they had been instructed to administer Depo Provera injections to the women of child-bearing age, though he refused to say who had issued the order. Ms Mangoli, who interviewed the women, said: "They had not been told about alternative forms of contraception or about the side effects or given medical follow-ups." The women complained of a wide range of side effects associated with the drug, including headaches, abdominal pain, fatigue, nausea, loss of libido and general burning sensations.

Depo Provera is also known to decrease bone density, especially among dark-skinned women, which can lead to osteoporosis in later life. Doctors are concerned that it is difficult or impossible to help women who experience severe side effects because the drug is in their system for months after it is injected. The contraceptive's reputation has also been tarnished by its association with South Africa, where the apartheid government had used it, often coercively, to limit the fertility of black women.

Traditionally, its main uses have been for women who are regarded as incapable of controlling their own reproduction or monitor other forms of birth control, and for women who suffer severe problems during menstruation. Ms Eyal said she had been denied co-operation from government ministries, doctors and most of the health insurance companies while conducting her research. Clalit, the largest health company, however, did provide figures showing that 57 per cent of its Depo Provera users were Ethiopian compared with a handful of women in other ethnic groups.

The health ministry was unavailable for comment. When first questioned about Depo Provera in June 2008, the health minister of the time, Yaacov Ben Yezri, said the high number of Ethiopians in Israel using the drug reflected a "cultural preference" for injections among Ethiopians. In fact, according to figures of the World Health Organisation, three-quarters of women in Ethiopia using birth control take the oral pill.

"The answers we received from officials demonstrated overt racism," Ms Eyal said. "They suggested that Ethiopian women should be treated not as individuals but as a collective group whose reproduction needs controlling." When Woman to Woman conducted an experiment by sending five non-Ethiopian women to doctors to ask for Depo Provera, all were told that it was prescribed only in highly unusual cases.

Ms Mangoli said it was extremely difficult to get immigrant Ethiopian families to speak out because they were afraid that their Jewishness was under suspicion and that they might be deported if they caused trouble. However, women interviewed anonymously for the report stated that officials at absorption centres in Ethiopia advised them to take Depo Provera because there would be no funds to support their children if they got pregnant in Israel.

This policy appears to conflict with the stated goals of the country's Demography Council, a group of experts charged with devising ways to persuade Jewish women to have more babies. The council was established in response to what is widely seen in Israel as a "demographic war" with Palestinians, or the need to maintain a Jewish majority in the region despite high Palestinian birth rates. In a speech marking the council's reconvening in 2002, the then social welfare minister, Shlomo Benizri, referred to "the beauty of the Jewish family that is blessed with many children".

Yali Hashash, a researcher at Haifa University, said attempts to restrict Ethiopian women's fertility echoed practices used against Jewish women who immigrated to Israel from such Arab countries as Iraq, Yemen and Morocco in the state's early years, in the 1950s and 1960s. Many, she said, had been encouraged to fit IUDs when the device was still experimental because Israel's leading gynecologists regarded Arab Jews as "primitive" and incapable of acting "responsibly".

Allegations of official racism towards Ethiopians gained prominence in 2006 when it was admitted that for many years all their blood donations had been discarded for fear that they might be contaminated with diseases. There have also been regular reports of Ethiopian children being denied places in schools or being forced to attend separate classes. In November a survey of employers in the main professions showed that 53 per cent preferred not to hire an Ethiopian.

Ruth Sinai, an Israeli social affairs reporter for Haaretz newspaper, wrote recently that the discrimination faced by the country's 120,000 Ethiopians reflected in particular "doubts on the part of the country's religious establishment about their Jewishness".
 
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Hating the actions of a country doesn't make one racist. Hating a race makes a person racist.

Israel does some fucked up racist shit in the name of "cultural purity" and this is just one example.
 

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The thread title refers to a class of people (namely Jews), not a country, and it's a foregone conclusion that this is going to spiral into some sort of Jew hater thread, just like it did on FoH.

BTW, those Israelis sure are doing an awful job at ethnic cleansing, with 20% of their population being Arab with ironically more democratic rights than any arab is afforded anywhere else in the middle east.

Hating the actions of a country doesn't make one racist. Hating a race makes a person racist.

Israel does some fucked up racist shit in the name of "cultural purity" and this is just one example.
 
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20% population and on the rise which is called a "demographic bomb" by the countries leader.

Not that prominent Israeli's haven't been looking for ways to revoke citizenship of muslim / arab Israeli's and push them into Palestine.

The Lieberman Plan comes to mind.
 

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There are radicals in every society and government. Shall we define the USA by desired Arizona immigration laws, or some nutjob in congress that wants to ban mexicans immigration entirely? You define a country by what the REALITY is, not by what in all likelyhood will never happen. The current reality is that Israel has a 20% Arab population, with the same rights as Jewish Israelis. They also have two duly elected officials in the Knesset. Can you name me any other middle eastern country that has even 1% Jewish poulation, let alone someone in government? Are Jews allowed in Palestine? Nope, and nope.

I spent four months travelling the middle east, go spend some time there. By the time you reach Israel and finally feel like you're not about to have a knife stabbed into your back and people actually welcome you, you may change your tune. They actually build and invent shit and aren't spending all their time fucking killing each other like the rest of the middle east.

20% population and on the rise which is called a "demographic bomb" by the countries leader.

Not that prominent Israeli's haven't been looking for ways to revoke citizenship of muslim / arab Israeli's and push them into Palestine.

The Lieberman Plan comes to mind.
 

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The thread title refers to a class of people (namely Jews), not a country, and it's a foregone conclusion that this is going to spiral into some sort of Jew hater thread, just like it did on FoH.

BTW, those Israelis sure are doing an awful job at ethnic cleansing, with 20% of their population being Arab with ironically more democratic rights than any arab is afforded anywhere else in the middle east.
Zionism is a political ideology, not a race.

A political ideology practiced by racist scum who perpetuate a decades long apartheid in their country.
 

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There are radicals in every society and government. Shall we define the USA by desired Arizona immigration laws, or some nutjob in congress that wants to ban mexicans immigration entirely? You define a country by what the REALITY is, not by what in all likelyhood will never happen.The current realityis that Israel has a 20% Arab population, with the same rights as Jewish Israelis. They also have two duly elected officials in the Knesset. Can you name me any other middle eastern country that has even 1% Jewish poulation, let alone someone in government? Are Jews allowed in Palestine? Nope, and nope.

I spent four months travelling the middle east, go spend some time there. By the time you reach Israel and finally feel like you're not about to have a knife stabbed into your back and people actually welcome you, you may change your tune. They actually build and invent shit and aren't spending all their time fucking killing each other like the rest of the middle east.
The current reality is that Israel has an open air prison over at Gaza with over a million people crammed into it that practically have no rights. I guess you didn't visit that part.
 

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Sounds like you have some strong opinions about the Palestinians, Wombat. What solutions would you offer to the problems in the region?
 
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Lieberman is a pretty main stream candidate. I wouldn't exactly call his views radical in the context of Israeli politics.

The two largest parties have 27 and 21 seats where as Lieberman's party has 15 seats. Which increased this year from the last time elections were held.


I realize you are trying to do some mental gymnastics here to justify the actions of Israel but I'll try to keep my opinion short. There are racist and intolerant countries in the middle east and it's hypocritical for Israel to simultaneously decry the actions of those countries while pushing for the same sorts of policies.
 

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You want to name the thread the "fuck israel" thread, fine. As it is it's fucking stupid trolling racist bullshit.
That is not true you do NOT have to be jewish to be a zionist.

ashkenazi jews are not semitic jews, DNA testing has proved over 85% of the jews in israel are not semitic but descendant of the khazars. They seem to be the remnants of the khazar people and aristocracy, the only country I know of that adopted judaism as a state religion outside the israelites.

it's not anti-racial as zionists are not really semitic jews.

this is a serious hole in the vast majority of peoples history I venture very few people are aware of the khazars, who they where, and why they adopted judaism.

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The zionists khazars who created the state of israel ( the balflour delcaration was addressed to lord jacob rothchild ) are guided by the talmud not the old testament, this is a huge difference, read the talmud it lays a foundation for racial descrimination. Because they teach their kids in jewish schools they pass these traditions along. Traditions to treat all non jews terribly, to view them as a person views cattle so you may profit off them however you choose, descrimiate at will and even for the extremists it justifies to kill them if need be. which is what they are doing to the palestinians right now.

the talmud is an vile text that teaches these aristocratic khazar non semitic jews things like:

Where a Jew Should Do Evil

Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Penalty for Disobeying Rabbis

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.


I think people should know these things, because they really do exist. The talmud was devoloped in babylon under bondage and seems to be an instruction book for how to work together to undermine a city and control it's money supply.
 

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Yep, saw that from afar. That's the place they start shooting rockets from at 8am, as that's the time Israeli children are walking to school. Then when they tried to adjust the start of the school day a half hour earlier, those "prisoners" compensated their firing times accordingly within a week.

The current reality is that Israel has an open air prison over at Gaza with over a million people crammed into it that practically have no rights. I guess you didn't visit that part.
 

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Yep, saw that from afar. That's the place they start shooting rockets from at 8am, as that's the time Israeli children are walking to school. Then when they tried to adjust the start of the school day a half hour earlier, those "prisoners" compensated their firing times accordingly within a week.
Color me shocked that people who have been living in an open air prison for decades would get fed up and attempt to resist.

I wonder what the Jews would do had they been walled off in some ghetto with scant clean water and supplies?

Oh right, they rose up and fought to the death:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
 

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Notice you don't hear much about the West Bank anymore, only Gaza? That's because despite the Abbas government being corrupt, they don't shoot rockets into Israel. Hence there are no israeli raids, bombings, or other forms of retribution. The restrictions on what enters the West Bank are far more lenient than Gaza. It's very fucking simple, don't fire rockets and you won't get fucked up. The West Bank is a living testament that if they don't shoot, the Israelis won't shoot back. Poverty in the West Bank has fallen to 11%, vs 40% in Gaza. Don't fucking elect a terrorist government and fire rockets, and shit will improve.

Sounds like you have some strong opinions about the Palestinians, Wombat. What solutions would you offer to the problems in the region?
 

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You are so fucking dumb it's painful. You are SERIOUSLY going to compare the Warsaw Ghetto of WWII, where people are starved to death and shot openly in the street, to Gaza? You do know that the Gaza strip is 8th place in the world for obesity right?? And who gives them food? Israel. You do know that Gaza has one of the highest birth rates in the middle east right? The Israelis sure are doing a fucking horribad job at running their Nazi like ethnic cleansing ghetto.. Such a moron.

And "attempt to resist".. Yeah, intentionally firing rockets at children every day. Go shoot yourself.

Color me shocked that people who have been living in an open air prison for decades would get fed up and attempt to resist.

I wonder what the Jews would do had they been walled off in some ghetto with scant clean water and supplies?

Oh right, they rose up and fought to the death:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising