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Oh, I think the internet has changed the world in much the same way that atomic power or the moon landing did. Probably even more, tbh. The engineering required to actually make the internet is no small po-ta-tos itself. But it's not flashy like reactor rods or rocket ships.

The advances this past generation have been more in bio-medical than in more traditional feats of engineering. Like the effective treatments of cancers, which we -are- closing in on is a pretty big fucking deal. And it's easy to minimize the AIDS research that was happening in the 80's and 90's. Also a huge deal. If you look at it, we did not have a great grasp of how the immune system functions at a cellular level and below. That research pushed those bounds. I mean we weren't idiots, we knew the principles and many of the mechanisms. But we hadn't isolated many of the individual mechanisms which AIDS research required.

These days you can get your leg blown off and you've got a chance of surviving that trauma. It seems mundane, but that's fairly impressive.
 
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What's been done in Genetics/Biology over the last 20 years is pretty fucking amazing.

You can take a swab from the inside of your cheek and find out your genetic predisposition for many serious/fatal diseases as well as your ancestry/heritage with an increasingly routine and cheap test. I can take a one gallon sample of water from a stream, extract all the DNA from it and potentially identify every single organism present in that water without having seen a single one of them. The entire human genome has been mapped and every day a new part of that genome is identified and matched with a specific physiological process and we also understand the mechanisms behind turning those genes off and on. That's no small thing, and potentially a greater boon to humanity than the Hoover Dam or Moon Landing will ever be.
 
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TheBeagle_sl said:
What's been done in Genetics/Biology over the last 20 years is pretty fucking amazing.

You can take a swab from the inside of your cheek and find out your genetic predisposition for many serious/fatal diseases as well as your ancestry/heritage with an increasingly routine and cheap test. I can take a one gallon sample of water from a stream, extract all the DNA from it and potentially identify every single organism present in that water without having seen a single one of them. The entire human genome has been mapped and every day a new part of that genome is identified and matched with a specific physiological process and we also understand the mechanisms behind turning those genes off and on. That's no small thing, and potentially a greater boon to humanity than the Hoover Dam or Moon Landing will ever be.
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I just can't wait to have a dog that glows green in the dark.
 
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Probably worthy, but I would not put it at the same level as harnessing the atom or landing someone on the moon. Still, point taken.
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It's not on the same level; the internet is a vastly superior achievement to both those things. I will go so far as to say it's the single greatest achievement of mankind thus far. Information is power is not just a cliche; it's the truth. And we've made endless information available to everyone (In the west), at a moments notice. Kings and Emperors; with the greatest tutors from all over the world, had less access to information than a small child in a poor part of town who has a hand me down computer and an economy internet connection. If he wants to learn physics, he can have aHarvardprofessor teaching him while he sit sits in his living room. If he wants to learn calculus, he has entire semesters of information at his finger tips, forfree. If he needs to learn how to put in a sink, there are at least 50 videos on youtube detailing every problem (I know, I've done this). It's such a phenomenal achievement, that isSOubiquitous (Another aspect of it's success) that we take it for granted. We've become desensitized to howamazingtechnology has become; but you only need to think about it for a minute to realize how utterly incredible the last 20 years has been. (Just watch Mad Men if you really want to appreciate it.)

And yes, I know you said somehow we are still dumber--but as I linked, the Flynn Effect shows we've increased in IQ quite dramatically. I think, part of the problem is, as knowledge has flowed more freely--the rate of cynicism has increased dramatically. Being exposed to every shitty thing your fellow human does, constantly, 24/7, of course makes you believe everyone has just become retards. But the reality is--mostpeople havealwaysbeen retarded. It just used to be that those people were locked away in some mine, factory line or farm and society only heard from them during recessions, and usually not directly but filtered by some leader or representative--but now they are on twitter, facebook, Rerolled and that makes us think that this whole army of idiots has somehow spawned in the last 30 years...but it's not the case. The only difference is The Internet has made you more aware of the world (Which, again, ironically illustrates what an achievement it is.)
 
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Lithose_sl said:
It's not on the same level; the internet is a vastly superior achievement to both those things. I will go so far as to say it's the single greatest achievement of mankind thus far. Information is power is not just a cliche; it's the truth. And we've made endless information available to everyone (In the west), at a moments notice. Kings and Emperors; with the greatest tutors from all over the world, had less access to information than a small child in a poor part of town who has a hand me down computer and an economy internet connection. If he wants to learn physics, he can have aHarvardprofessor teaching him while he sit sits in his living room. If he wants to learn calculus, he has entire semesters of information at his finger tips, forfree. If he needs to learn how to put in a sink, there are at least 50 videos on youtube detailing every problem (I know, I've done this). It's such a phenomenal achievement, that isSOubiquitous (Another aspect of it's success) that we take it for granted. We've become desensitized to howamazingtechnology has become; but you only need to think about it for a minute to realize how utterly incredible the last 20 years has been. (Just watch Mad Men if you really want to appreciate it.)

And yes, I know you said somehow we are still dumber--but as I linked, the Flynn Effect shows we've increased in IQ quite dramatically. I think, part of the problem is, as knowledge has flowed more freely--the rate of cynicism has increased dramatically. Being exposed to every shitty thing your fellow human does, constantly, 24/7, of course makes you believe everyone has just become retards. But the reality is--mostpeople havealwaysbeen retarded. It just used to be that those people were locked away in some mine, factory line or farm and society only heard from them during recessions, and usually not directly but filtered by some leader or representative--but now they are on twitter, facebook, Rerolled and that makes us think that this whole army of idiots has somehow spawned in the last 30 years...but it's not the case. The only difference is The Internet has made you more aware of the world (Which, again, ironically illustrates what an achievement it is.)
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Yeah, we can all now read the articles on infowars.com

what a great world we live in
 
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And you can also take free college level courses from MIT, Berkeley, Harvard, and Columbia on everything from game design, materials technology and immunology on edX. Just because 90% of the population chooses to mentally masturbate on shit sites like infowars or freerepublic doesn't diminish the availability of knowledge that is accessible and free of charge.
 
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I can also find videos of girls stuffing horse dicks in their asses. I didn't even know that was possible and I probably wasn't going to stumble across that in a library. The internet has enlightened us all.
 
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Beyond the porn stuff, the negative side of the Internet is that it has basically given a lot of negative/stupid people a means to find others with their same mental damage and bond over it, ultimately justifying their behavior. But I concede that it is an achievement of great cultural significance. I am just uncertain that it has done as much to push the species forward as something like manned extraterrestrial flight, where entire new fields of science and math were being refined with it. I also strongly feel that its existence has contributed to our current volatile capitol system in many negative ways, but that's another topic.

Beyond that point though, given our current state of medicine I do think stupid people are outbreeding smart people by a wide margin. That shit cannot go on forever without some kind of impact.
 
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Isn't variance in intelligence of children vastly environmental? If that is the case and given that alot of the educational quality of a childs surroundings depends on the social standing of its family, people as a whole won't get more stupid but rather more intelligent, at least if the distribution of wealth is proper?
 
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For those who think we're getting dumber, which generation of humanity do you think was the most intelligent? The 50s generation?

And obviously it's pre-mature, but I'd say the stuff we're doing related to quantum mechanics now is on the same level if not more important than the nuclear physics we did a century ago. Technically it's much, much more impressive.

The LHC is the greatest structure mankind has ever built, both in terms of size, power and technical challenge:
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Oh and I'd also say that what we're fixing to do with landing a robot on a comet is more impressive than the moon landing.
 
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Abefroman_sl said:
Go land that robot on a comet with less processing power then your microwave.
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I'm talking in absolute terms, not "Oh, that drawing is shit but she's only 3 years old!".

The moon landing is impressive and there's no doubt, but the idea that mankind somehow progressed to a peak when we landed on the moon and is slowly devolving is easily disproven by all the cool shit going on.
 
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I'm talking in absolute terms, not "Oh, that drawing is shit but she's only 3 years old!".

The moon landing is impressive and there's no doubt, but the idea that mankind somehow progressed to a peak when we landed on the moon and is slowly devolving is easily disproven by all the cool shit going on.
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I simply responded to your comment on the Comet being more immpressive.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
For those who think we're getting dumber, which generation of humanity do you think was the most intelligent? The 50s generation?
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Nah, i think the consensus would be that we're peaking right now or maybe in the last decade.
 
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Tuco_sl said:
The LHC is the greatest structure mankind has ever built, both in terms of size, power and technical challenge:
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It's funny to think back 4 years ago when it was coming online and all these idiotic news organizations were reporting on the fact it "might produce a black hole!"
 
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Abefroman_sl said:
People Getting Dumber? Human Intelligence Has Declined Since Victorian Era, Research Suggests

"I projected this occurred as our ancestors began to live in more supportive high density societies (cities) and had access to a steady supply of food.

Fucking Obama.
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As for Dr. te Nijenhuis and colleagues, they analyzed the results of 14 intelligence studies conducted between 1884 to 2004, including one by Sir Francis Galton, an English anthropologist and a cousin of Charles Darwin. Each study gauged participants' so-called visual reaction times -- how long it took them to press a button in response to seeing a stimulus. Reaction time reflects a person's mental processing speed, and so is considered an indication of general intelligence.
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Other research has suggested an apparent rise in I.Q. scores since the 1940s, a phenomenon known as the Flynn Effect. But Dr. te Nijenhuis suggested the Flynn Effect reflects the influence of environmental factors -- such as better education, hygiene and nutrition -- and may mask the true decline in genetically inherited intelligence in the Western world.
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So we're getting smarter, but it doesn't count because the environment. WTF, does this guy understand how evolution works?

Abefroman_sl said:
Which side of the argument are you arguing for with that statement?
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It's a funny anecdote, not an argument. Lighten up.
 
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