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Skyrocketed. No worse time to get into it. Its become a Brazilian economy. Street hookers command upscale escort rates now and every girl no matter how street walker trash is vying for the 1% market. A little bit of botox, rebranding yourself as 30 over 45, foundation on your track marks and you're ready to advertise as an elite companion starting at 500 for extremely short low quality company.

I'd assume its due to a either a lack of availability of sex, a shortage of sex workers to meet demand (likely in America), or the growing 1% rich get richer situation which is able to meet and tolerate the price.

Its no longer worth it as a hobby. You can find the occasional 300 rate still, but really unless you're "in" you aren't going to get reasonable rates on even mediocre drug addled "escorts".

Basically everyone charges GFE/Escort rates now, regardless of how trash and low quality the service is. The asking rate now is only 200 dollars less than a pornstar escort. So you are better off just going with a PSE. As Itzo alluded to earlier the American dynamic is much different. Hobbying isn't really a thing any more. Its all sugar daddys rates in America and the professionalism is lacking.

Go to Thailand.

I have so many questions I don't even know where to begin. I'm going to need a bit of time here.
 

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Skyrocketed. No worse time to get into it. Its become a Brazilian economy. Street hookers command upscale escort rates now and every girl no matter how street walker trash is vying for the 1% market. A little bit of botox, rebranding yourself as 30 over 45, foundation on your track marks and you're ready to advertise as an elite companion starting at 500 for extremely short low quality company.

I'd assume its due to a either a lack of availability of sex, a shortage of sex workers to meet demand (likely in America), or the growing 1% rich get richer situation which is able to meet and tolerate the price.

Its no longer worth it as a hobby. You can find the occasional 300 rate still, but really unless you're "in" you aren't going to get reasonable rates on even mediocre drug addled "escorts".

Basically everyone charges GFE/Escort rates now, regardless of how trash and low quality the service is. The asking rate now is only 200 dollars less than a pornstar escort. So you are better off just going with a PSE. As Itzo alluded to earlier the American dynamic is much different. Hobbying isn't really a thing any more. Its all sugar daddys rates in America and the professionalism is lacking.

Go to Thailand.

OK, so nothing you said didn't make sense, but the whole idea of an escort budget is what was baffling me to start. It makes sense if I think about it some, but it's still an alien idea to me. So it sounds like you're saying there's different widely recognized tiers of service? I assumed there was like a street level hooker service, vs. a phone/delivery type service that's higher tier, then maybe the Sasha Grey 'The Girlfriend Experience' tier of $1500 a night prostitution. No judgment, it's just that you speak about this so casually that I'm fascinated at the level of familiarity. The only exposure I had to prostitutes was really, really nasty hookers outside of Marine bases in CA or NC. Never got one and never wanted to know more after. Clearly there's a whole really interesting market dynamic going on that I know nothing about.

Lunis Lunis can you add anything to what jayrebb jayrebb said? I'd love to know how the market for TS prostitutes compares to the hetero market. I'd assume that the TS market is more expensive because I bet there'd be a lower amount of high quality sex workers.
 

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Skyrocketed. No worse time to get into it. Its become a Brazilian economy. Street hookers command upscale escort rates now and every girl no matter how street walker trash is vying for the 1% market. A little bit of botox, rebranding yourself as 30 over 45, foundation on your track marks and you're ready to advertise as an elite companion starting at 500 for extremely short low quality company.

I'd assume its due to a either a lack of availability of sex, a shortage of sex workers to meet demand (likely in America), or the growing 1% rich get richer situation which is able to meet and tolerate the price.

Its no longer worth it as a hobby. You can find the occasional 300 rate still, but really unless you're "in" you aren't going to get reasonable rates on even mediocre drug addled "escorts".

Basically everyone charges GFE/Escort rates now, regardless of how trash and low quality the service is. The asking rate now is only 200 dollars less than a pornstar escort. So you are better off just going with a PSE. As Itzo alluded to earlier the American dynamic is much different. Hobbying isn't really a thing any more. Its all sugar daddys rates in America and the professionalism is lacking.

Go to Thailand.

Also, you said 'hobby.' I never thought of fucking as a hobby, but if you're paying for specific service I can see it. What price point would you consider to be worth it as a hobby and what is the price point at now for 'hobby' tier of service?

I'm thinking of guns as a hobby for example. If handguns are my thing, and I want one gun and want to just go to the range once a month, I can get all I want out of a $500 pistol and the cost of common ammunition. If I'm niche about it, maybe I'm spending $1000 on a really nice pistol and going a few times a month, or maybe I have uncommon ammo. Same thing with any hobby, really; there's different levels of buy in.

What's it like being a hobbyist for prostitution?
 

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Well, I'm out.

Also, Buck Angel has to be the most well known FtM transition. From Howard Stern interviews, and all sorts of other press things. Guess Wizardhawk is too young.

I mean i've seen the pics etc. before but I couldn't remember if it was an FtM or a post-op dude...
 

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Uhh.. A post op dude? Based on everything else youve said, that sounds like you mean a post op trans woman. I.e. A guy trying to become female.
You saw buck angel's face, knew they were trans, and werent sure if they were trying to look feminine or masculine?? Lol
 

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I just got laid last night; ex and I kissed and made up (for now) :eek: Anyway, on to this zeppelin of a post:

Interesting thread, I've debated posting here.
I'm not an intolerant person at all, but I do have some major issues with the Trans movement.
I'll just jot down my comments in list form as it's quite wide ranging and incoherent.

1.) If we didn't live in the age we do where people can do all sorts of things to their bodies, for example you couldn't get a boob job or invert your dick, what would you do?
1A.) Without the ability to change your gender, without that option being possible or known at all, do you believe you would have still believed you should have been a woman, or do you think the lack of medical ability & social awareness might have just made you live a normal life as an effeminate male?
1B.) Still assuming you couldn't change your gender, do you believe you could have lived a happy life, or would you have been depressed, possibly suicidal?

I'd live life as a man suffering from gender dysphoria. Yes, I'd still have gender dysphoria regardless of what's possible or not. The medicine / science didn't somehow give rise to trannies. There's always been trannies. I was never an effeminate male sans my early early childhood. I'd be happy as a guy, just not as happy as I could be on a fundamental level.

2.) I think it's perfectly normal for people to be curious about the opposite sex, it's part of the attraction, I also believe this curiosity can run so amok that you have people strongly believing they should have been the opposite sex all along, that the opposite sex "has it better", or that they were born to be the opposite sex simply because their mannerisms and personality align better there.

3.) I also believe there are a ton of people seeking attention, and they'll do it by either choosing to be Trans, or choosing to be an apache attack helicopter, or simply want to be called a different pronoun so as to be distinguished from everyone else. With the focus on these Trans+ groups recently, more and more attention-getters are latching on. It's like they are joining a High School club. All of a sudden you have a "lost" person decide to join the "Trans" club. Instantly they can feel satisfaction knowing they now "belong" to a community.
3A.) The internet culture seems to aid this nicely as you can easily find other "group members" online, and now the people yearning to be accepted somewhere have an instant support group out of thin air.
3B.) As well as a political movement/group to rally with, etc. It's really tailor-made for the social outcasts.

You've never read my posts I take it. I've laid out my thoughts many times on this particular matter, but for quick summation: you're not wrong, but non-binary zhe/zhey non-medicating terf-hating trannies and medically transitioned, binary, gender dysphoria suffering post-op trannies are as similar as comparing a mechanic to a fashion model and calling them both "Americans". Transgender we both are. Similar as humans with shared, like-minded identities we are not.

4.) Subjugating kids and young adults to hormone blockers & the works is child abuse.

5.) Trans is a mental illness first and foremost.

6.) If someone is so mentally damaged that they choose to live life as the opposite sex, I really couldn't care less. Everyone should have the freedom to live the way they want. But please don't force your mental illness on the rest of the population. Trans bathrooms, healthcare, education, etc.
6A.) I have more respect for Adults who transition simply because at least they've had time to work through and diagnose their illness. I am repulsed by parents who let their kids do it, or even worse, force it upon their kids. The parents should be punished for child abuse, lose custody, be forced to seek help, etc.
6B.) If you really want to live life as the opposite sex, just do it. There shouldn't be a need to publicize it. I can understand where this might be a huge gray area, particularly for the "unpassable" trans people.
6C.) Lets be real here, if you LOOK male, you're a male. Use the mens room. For the sake of society and keeping everyone comfortable, just do it. Why do you really need to use the women's room? If you are a passable Female (or FTM), then use that restroom. Simple. The big issue I see are the "unpassable" trans people throwing up arms because they feel entitled to the "whatever gender bathroom they've declared themselves to be". Don't force your uncomfortable situation upon others.
6C.) If you get hated on or abused by someone for being trans, let local law enforcement and the courts handle it. As a human being you still have rights. There should be some common sense laws that handle most issues I think. We don't need special laws for every fringe group of people.
6D.) We don't need to "educate" people about every fringe group.

^ This is more or less soap-boxy, not even questions. I actually agree with all of this, but I think you exemplify the perfectly common person and don't realize that while we are few and far in between, there ARE trannies out there who don't support the ideology of the trans community as a collective precisely DUE to this narrative that tarnishes the public's perception of us.

7.) The general population shouldn't be forced to provide funding or healthcare for every single mental illness/disease.
7A.) Even if we could, the healthcare that's chosen is likely not the one that's most desired to be prescribed by the general populace. For example, if I could choose how to treat a trans person, I'd start with therapy. Their choice would be plastic surgeons, hormone therapy, etc. Letting a person with a mental illness choose their own treatment seems like a bad idea to me.
7B.) Neither method is proven to "cure" the illness. Changing gender is no greater of a cure than simply trying to fix their brains.

With all due respect, you're talking from a position of ignorance on this point. We DO start with therapy. It is demonstrably useless if the goal is to cure / lessen gender dysphoria... ask ANY tranny or parent of a tranny that have sent their child to a psychologist to -fix- their dysphoria. You can't just "therapy" your way through this. It's a life-long mental illness, and you're 100% wrong stating that changing gender isn't a cure. It is literally the cure to gender dysphoria... not ideal, but it works, and works well.

8.) I'll admit that "trans" people are very interesting to me. Simply because "figuring out" people is very interesting. Also I'm a fan of "people watching". I am really curious what a typical day at work is like for a trans person. More specifically, the "beginning days" when you were still trying to figure out how to be the opposite sex. That first time entering the other bathroom. Or what that feeling was like when you first got your tits. Or what it feels like to chop off your dick. Things I'll never choose to experience myself, but BIG moments for a trans person to experience.
8A.) How peoples minds work always interests me and I always wonder how much of this is for attention, or due to social pressures/norms/awareness, or if in this one particular case, it actually is someone with a mental condition where they always saw themselves as the opposite gender.

My typical work day is guys slapping my ass, calling me Sir Titsalot, girls doing the "Jerry! Jerry!" fist shake while a bunch of sweaty mens dance on the table around me during lunch while a disco ball drops from the ceiling, and my boss sucking my dick in the janitors closet after I make over 100% rate for the day.

Or, y'know... it's just like anyone else's work day :rolleyes: I'll let you decide what's more likely.

Transition is the epitome of an evolution. Things you think are big events like surgery experiences are really just being zonked out for a couple of weeks on percocets and healing from being all bruised, bandaged and weak/incapacitated. If you've never had major surgery, here's a lil tidbit: it really puts you out both physically and mentally. I don't even remember the first time I went into the women's restroom; that's how inconsequential it was for me. It's where I went when I had to take a leak... not the portal to a sacred shrine LoL

9.) And lastly, to tag onto the conversation above. I agree that "being attracted" to Buck Angel or Blaire White doesn't make you gay. They are clearly convincing as Male/Female respectively. Attraction is more than genitalia. Personally I'm a butt/hips/thighs guy. I really doubt any MTF trans people would fit my desire simply because it's going to be near impossible for a male to replicate that part of the female anatomy. But I will contest that Blaire White and some others are still infinitely more attractive than a vast number of people born to that gender.
9A.) However, after finding out they still have a dick or vag.. or even if post-surgery and you finally discover they have the same chromosomal makeup as yourself, and if you're still attracted, then you're gay (by definition). But I don't consider gayness as a negative, love is love, so whatever. I'll just never understand it tbh.
9B.) Per my previous remark, my belief is that your sex is determined by your chromosomes and cannot be changed. A trans person can change their gender, but not their sex.

Again, soap-boxy stuff that I agree with except trannies get ass/hips/thighs with HRT (my own examples are telling) but usually not in cis range due to smaller hip bones but there's BBL surgery for all your cis-passing needs.

I'm tired of arguing the straight / gay point. Fine... all guys who have ever been with a tranny are gay... gayer than Freddie Mercury playing a love song on the piano to a naked Quentin Crisp on top of said piano.
 
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Vanessa Vanessa , why are you even responding to him?

4.) Subjugating kids and young adults to hormone blockers & the works is child abuse.

5.) Trans is a mental illness first and foremost.

He says trans is a mental illness first and foremost as line item number 5. What a moron. Also, subjugating kids and young adults to hormone blockers is a form of child abuse? What about the parents who buy their kids stereotypical gender-specific toys for their kids? And when the kids don't want those toys but want the other gender specific toy? Would you force your child to just deal with it?
 
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Vanessa Vanessa , why are you even responding to him?



He says trans is a mental illness first and foremost as line item number 5. What a moron. Also, subjugating kids and young adults to hormone blockers is a form of child abuse? What about the parents who buy their kids stereotypical gender-specific toys for their kids? And when the kids don't want those toys but want the other gender specific toy? Would you force your child to just deal with it?

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. Sorry. Did you just compare hormones to a toy seriously?
 
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Sorry. But forcing a child to play with a gender-specific toy is pretty terrible to do. Most parents don't approve of hormone replacement under later (adolescence) which is good to see if it's just a phase.

edit: And when you say "subjugating" it comes across as it was the parents' original idea and forcing it on them. I don't think I've seen one single parent FORCE HORMONE THERAPY on their child.
 
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Pretty sure he meant subjecting not subjugating, but either way forcing or agreeing to put your kid on hormone blockers is waaaay worse than forcing little Tommy to play with a barbie doll.. And if "Trans" itself isn't a mental illness, it certainly has a ton of associated co-morbid mental illnesses that go along with it, so it's pretty much a distinction without a difference even if it isn't.
 

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I completely agree that forcing someone on hormone therapy, especially at an age where their brain is still developing, is a pretty shitty thing to do. But, you can definitely tell if a child is experiencing gender dysphoria at a young age.
 
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Regardless of our opinions on Trans topics, we can all agree those where some Tigole Bitties
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I've been down this road before :p

Erronious, I agree those were some Tigoles... if you like pulling out a pile of padding from a FF cup size bra. The ironic humor of a tranny with fake tits calling out another tranny (CD is more apropos imho) with fake faker tits is not lost on me, trust me. I'm in absolute compliance with being labeled petty or catty when it comes to MsBehavn but y'all got duped by a crossdresser back in the day, not a tranny in the purest sense of the word. Look, if they/she were something else that I'm not respecting and they/she want to retort or call me out, that's fine... I'd have no qualms apologizing to them if more evidence or facts presented themselves. Until that day happens, I'm staunch on the idea that they were a trap with a stuffed bra and a wig i.e. a crossdresser.

Morrow Morrow is the only VanessaApproved™ legit tranny up in this piece. I think poor Jerle was legit, but damn... that's a rough topic to rehash. Secrets (not linking name because idk if they want to be associated with this shit) is or was a crossdresser as far as I know. I suspect one other stealthy tranny is here but wishes to remain anonymous or at the very most somewhat distanced from this thread... who knows, who cares really I guess.

Vanessa Vanessa , why are you even responding to him?

He says trans is a mental illness first and foremost as line item number 5. What a moron. Also, subjugating kids and young adults to hormone blockers is a form of child abuse? What about the parents who buy their kids stereotypical gender-specific toys for their kids? And when the kids don't want those toys but want the other gender specific toy? Would you force your child to just deal with it?

I try my best to edify anyone and everyone willing to post... I think the reason this thread has garnered the traction it has is because I'm a tranny that is nigh impervious to being offended, I answer any/all questions, and am open to dialogues. Nothing's off limits (except maybe discussing my dick size on a public forum; RIGHT SLYMINXY?). Oh and tits.

If we are splitting hairs, then yes, he's incorrect that "trans" is a mental illness but I assumed (based on his kinda coming out of nowhere post) that he may have meant Gender Dysphoria and the whole big fucking umbrella of it all as laypeople see it. I'm more than happy to clarify if it is needed on a specific point.
 
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Sorry. But forcing a child to play with a gender-specific toy is pretty terrible to do. .


wtf is a "gender specific toy"... my god, the same people spouting out about gender fluidity are also enforcing the opposite.

if my daughters want to play with laser guns, does that mean they think they are boys? if my son wants to play with barbies, does that mean there's a girl in there somewhere trying to come out?

good god people.
 

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Are you serious? You haven't seen the videos of people forcing their boys play with trucks/toy guns while their girls play with dolls? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
 
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Sorry. But forcing a child to play with a gender-specific toy is pretty terrible to do. Most parents don't approve of hormone replacement under later (adolescence) which is good to see if it's just a phase.

edit: And when you say "subjugating" it comes across as it was the parents' original idea and forcing it on them. I don't think I've seen one single parent FORCE HORMONE THERAPY on their child.


Not buying a child certain types of toys is not going to do any serious damage to them, kids throughout human history dealt with not having ANY toys at all. So a kid not liking his "boy" toys because he feels like a "girl", can just choose not to play with them and live like billions of children who, shocker, weren't traumatically affected by the deprivation at all. Or they can use, you know, their imagination. (Not sure if you had sisters, but mine always stole my GI joes to live with her barbies. Kids don't actually need specific toys, give them a fucking block and they can pretend its a space ship, you know, what kids used to do?)

Hormones, meanwhile--have severe side effects, even on adults. From stroke, to heart disease. In addition, we literally do not know the long term side effects of delaying puberty and the artificially inducing it. We are one generation 1 still, and we are seeing tons of issues that may be related. Some of these side effects are severe, and absolutely irreversible--and these are decisions are pushed onto KIDS, Kur (You make it seem like leaving the choice of such a dramatic, life changing procedure to them is a good thing). You're comparing that to a freaking toy? I suppose these choices must be equivalent for you to ever believe any parent should be able to put their kids through this. If you accepted the radical differences in consequence you'd see it for what it is, a gross violation of medical ethics induced by an insane advocacy group.

Beyond that, I'd love for you to explain to me how dysphoria is not a mental illness. Lets check out what a mental illness is defined as.

A mental disorder is a clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual and that is associated with present distress or disability or with a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability.

If dysphoria does not cause distress and significantly increased risk of suffering, then I have to ask why YOU thought forcing a child to play with a toy that doesn't conform to his gender identity was as bad as chemically castrating him. You believe this disorder causes so much stress, that it is better to do something we'd find a horrific crime in other situations to avert it (The same for any major procedure. You're a nurse, how abhorrent would it be if you saw doctors operating for no reason?)....And yet, despite believing this MASSIVE amount of distress from a mental condition, you think the person is a "moron" for saying its a mental illness. Why? Do you have a reasonable answer to that, because I'm betting you haven't thought this through and feel a compulsion to say this due to your social environment. Because just your one post (IE non-gender conforming toy causes as much distress as radically altering a child's body permanently vs its not a mental illness) shows an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance, and you seem to be able to skip right past it.

Edit: And if you're worried that this is like when homosexuality was a mental illness? It's not. Homosexuals do not need medical intervention to alleviate their distress. They can just go fuck a man/woman. Their only distress came from going against social norms, but there was no physical impediment to achieving what they desired mentally. Trams people literally can not achieve what they want without significant medical intervention and alteration and even then have plenty of side effects. If they were left to their own devices, they could not alleviate the distress. Totally different.
 
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Are you serious? You haven't seen the videos of people forcing their boys play with trucks/toy guns while their girls play with dolls? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

no. i don't look for videos of kids playing with toys.

honestly, though, i do know that some people "encourage" their kids to play with certain toys over others and in certain ways over others. i just think it causes more problems than anything. you tell a child not to do something and all they can do is fixate on doing that one thing. do that long enough and make the repercussions strong enough, and now they grow up thinking subconsciously that something is wrong with them. they grow up saying things like "i've always been drawn to such and such" and need to make sense out of it.

kids CANNOT villify their caretakers before a certain age and even after that, they have an incredibly difficult time drawing accurate conclusions about poor decisions their caretakers made.
instead of saying...
"my dad was insecure enough about his own masculinity (for probably all kinds of reasons having nothing to do with sexuality) that he took it as a personal failure that his son wasn't the reincarnation of khal drogo, so anytime i even looked at something that wasn't 130% testosterone, he'd just lash out because he didn't know what else to do."
They say...
"i have ALWAYS been drawn to more effeminate things, i don't know why, but i just like that stuff."
which after a few years, it turns into
"i've always known that i was different, and that everyone looked at me differently than how i looked at myself."
which then at some point changes to
"i was born the wrong gender."

all because parents are too insecure to let their kids just... be kids.
 
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What the hell happened up in h ere?




So MsBehaven was a crossdresser the whole time? Lol makes sense based on all the dick they said they wanted to suck all the time and all the sexual stuff they posted. They also tried to tell me that their tits were totally naturally and from estrogen. Riiiight okay Msbehaven. They were cool to me though.

Not buying a child certain types of toys is not going to do any serious damage to them, kids throughout human history dealt with not having ANY toys at all. So a kid not liking his "boy" toys because he feels like a "girl", can just choose not to play with them and live like billions of children who, shocker, weren't traumatically affected by the deprivation at all. Or they can use, you know, their imagination. (Not sure if you had sisters, but mine always stole my GI joes to live with her barbies. Kids don't actually need specific toys, give them a fucking block and they can pretend its a space ship, you know, what kids used to do?)

Hormones, meanwhile--have severe side effects, even on adults. From stroke, to heart disease. In addition, we literally do not know the long term side effects of delaying puberty and the artificially inducing it. We are one generation 1 still, and we are seeing tons of issues that may be related. Some of these side effects are severe, and absolutely irreversible--and these are decisions are pushed onto KIDS, Kur (You make it seem like leaving the choice of such a dramatic, life changing procedure to them is a good thing). You're comparing that to a freaking toy? I suppose these choices must be equivalent for you to ever believe any parent should be able to put their kids through this. If you accepted the radical differences in consequence you'd see it for what it is, a gross violation of medical ethics induced by an insane advocacy group.

Beyond that, I'd love for you to explain to me how dysphoria is not a mental illness. Lets check out the what a mental illness is defined as.

A mental disorder is a clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual and that is associated with present distress or disability or with a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability.

If dysphoria does not cause distress and significantly increased risk of suffering, then I have to ask why YOU thought forcing a child to play with a toy that doesn't conform to his gender identity was as bad as chemically castrating him. You believe this disorder causes so much stress, that it is better to do something we'd find a horrific crime in other situations to avert it (The same for any major procedure. You're a nurse, how abhorrent would it be if you saw doctors operating for no reason?)....And yet, despite believing this MASSIVE amount of distress from a mental condition, you think the person is a "moron" for saying its a mental illness. Why? Do you have a reasonable answer to that, because I'm betting you haven't thought this through and feel a compulsion to say this due to your social environment. Because just your one post (IE non-gender conforming toy causes as much distress as radically altering a child's body permanently vs its not a mental illness) shows an enormous amount of cognitive dissonance, and you seem to be able to skip right past it.

Edit: And if you're worried that this is like when homosexuality was a mental illness? It's not. Homosexuals do not need medical intervention to alleviate their distress. They can just go fuck a man/woman. Their only distress came from going against social norms, but there was no physical impediment to achieving what they desired mentally. Trams people literally can not achieve what they want without significant medical intervention and alteration and even then have plenty of side effects. If they were left to their own devices, they could not alleviate the distress. Totally different.

It's a tough issue re: children and hormones. I know for a fact that my life would have been a thousand times easier and better had I been able to transition early on. I'm super jealous of trans women that got to start at 13, because they've had it so, so much easier and better. But with there being so much transtrenderism right now I do worry that some parents want a trans child so that they can automatically fit in with a group, because they are lonely and sad and have always wanted to belong to a group, and if they have a trans child they get to join a group of LGBT parents and "SJW liberators" and feel like they belong. Thus when their child exhibits something they deem as "trans", they latch onto it and possibly feed the child ideas and then that leads down a dangerous path.

That said, properly trained gender dysphoria doctors will be able to spot this miles away and filter said children out of treatment. They really are very good at doing this, and it's much harder to get past that gatekeeper than many people seem to think it is. You don't get to just show up with your son and show the doctor your son's favorite barbie and favorite pink skirt and walk away with a prescription for puberty blockers. It takes a really long fucking time. I don't know the right answer here.


And yeah, cmon now, of course being trans is a mental disorder. It's like I said a few pages back, let's be real here. You have to really detach yourself from logic and reality to proclaim that being trans is not a mental illness, when it is so abnormal and affects your life so drastically. However, my problem comes when people take the idea of being trans as a mental illness as an argument against transitioning and as an argument for them just needing talk therapy and conversion therapy, which has been shown to not only not work, but cause serious, serious damage. The best treatment we have happens to be transitioning, and it's pretty damn effective when applied properly and accurately.
 
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AladainAF

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Sorry. But forcing a child to play with a gender-specific toy is pretty terrible to do. Most parents don't approve of hormone replacement under later (adolescence) which is good to see if it's just a phase.

edit: And when you say "subjugating" it comes across as it was the parents' original idea and forcing it on them. I don't think I've seen one single parent FORCE HORMONE THERAPY on their child.

I don't know any parent that forces any child to play with any toy. In fact, most parents prefer their children not play with toys at all, and instead do something more constructive.
 

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I prefer they pick them the fuck up afterwards. What they play with is distant concern.
 
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