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How do they differentiate 80% vs 20% ? I have stated before that because I'm not an endo nor a psychologist that I don't know their exact methods, but to quote this again for like the billionth time (first time for you Cuckernaut, no worries):

"In the examined group, all of 70 eligible candidates showed improved mental health and general functioning. Authors concluded that the treatment was fully reversible, which was one of its main advantages."

That's a 100% success rate. So whatever they're doing to weed out the potentially mildly-dysphoric vs. the highly-dysphoric... it's working.

Regardless of that fact, this next part shatters everything that the ignorants have argued and beautifully melds both facts (treatment works and is successful whilst acknowledging the 80/20 ratio). From this paper:

"Puberty suppression is only started after the adolescent actually enters the first stages of puberty (Tanner stages 2–3), because although in most prepubertal children GD will desist, onset of puberty serves as a critical diagnostic stage, because the likelihood that GD will persist into adulthood is much higher in adolescence than in the case of childhood GD.15,16 "

Also, from this research paper:

"Of adolescents, 41.0% started PS, whereas only 1.9% of these adolescents stopped PS and did not start HT (Table 1). 32.2% of adolescents started directly with HT, because they were too old (≥18 years) to start with PS after the diagnostic phase."

They refused treatment of 59% of adolescents that came to their clinic. Why? Because they didn't fit the criteria of treatment. You strawman-building cockheads ignorantly assume that 100% of adolescents are getting put on blockers and hormones and that's JUST NOT TRUE. My God the ignorance is just jaw-dropping in this thread.


Also, btw, to add from here:

"Inadequate management of children with persistent gender dysphoria can lead to isolation, feeling of self-hatred, and suicidal ideas and attempts. Also, “passing through the wrong puberty” can have serious consequences for these individuals."

^ I care about these kids ^ Bigots like Zyyz and Booze do not. They would literally rather they kill themselves I believe.

Brief history of how this all came to be:

The Amsterdam VU university medical center treats 98% of the Dutch transsexuals. About 20 years ago, when a few adolescents with an overwhelming and clear-cut GID came to the attention of clinicians [14], the decision was taken to start the sex reassignment (SR) procedure before adulthood. Despite many years of psychotherapy, gender dysphoria had not abated in these youngsters. Many of the problems they were struggling with seemed to be the consequence rather than the cause of their GID. They were very lucid about their situation, had no psychopathology that would obtrude their self-assessment, and were able to cope with the process of transitioning to the other sex. There was also strong parental support for the treatment decision. This convinced us to make a change in policy and we decided to treat subjects younger than 18 years hormonally. Males were treated with anti-androgens first and with estrogens a few months later provided they appeared to do well; females were treated first with progesterone to stop menstrual bleeding and androgens later [15]. The minimum age set then for this treatment was 16 years. Although, in the Netherlands, adolescents are from the age of 16 years on legally competent to make decisions on their medical treatment, parents were required to endorse the request for treatment, which always was the case. Parents had been involved in the earlier diagnostic process and were of the conviction that hormonal and subsequent surgical treatment was the only acceptable solution to alleviate the suffering of their child.

P.S. Get fucking wrecked by 52 studies :)

...and on that note, it's bedtime for everyone's favorite ignorance-slaying tranny.
You keep neglecting the fact that delaying the development of a child's body will impact it severely in daily life.

I can't believe I tried to read your drivel.

Its ok, you can call me stupid, as you've done to most people in this thread. I'm sure its us.

Name calling and comments aside, because I appreciate the fact that you have researched this thoroughly vanessa, I have to agree with Punko on this in terms of the impacts of delays. Finally I just have a strong disagreement with manipulating children’s bodies in any way prior to them becoming of age to be consenting adults which in this country is 18. Kind of like getting a tattoo. I view this similarly as a manipulation of the body.

That said, i strongly agree with a very rigorous mental health and counseling approach throughout though and would support that in every way shape and form, to help align families and their social environment.
 
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I think it's pretty clear brain doesn't develop "fully" until 24-25.

Honestly people shouldn't even be allowed to vote until they reach age of 26 nor fuck themselves up irreversibly.
 
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Thank you! I thought someone else would've pitched in and told me the story but it's always nice in this world hearing stuff from the source itself in their own words. If you rely on others for what someone's position is, it can get grossly distorted after just one generation heh (hiya Phazael!).


...but here we are. Takes a good person to admit they're wrong; kudos. I think SJW shit is real, just not as pervasive and problematic as people like Lithose paint it. Radicals on both sides have ruined, exaggerated and smeared the nature of more centrist-minded people. So the left thinks white supremacists are more serious than they really are and the right thinks SJWs are more serious than they really are.

As for me stating "they're one of the real trannies" I don't know what you want me to say LoL... Gender Dysphoria in children is very real and I accept the 80%/20% stat that 4 out of 5 kids gender issues resolve via puberty. YOU tell me what you call the 20% ? Persistent GD is a clear case of real trannies. The 80% that resolve via puberty would be your gay/lesbian/effeminate/masculine children, not trannies.


No, as a non-parent I have never perused the Parent Thread you're right. FWIW from me, too, I'm sorry that you're dealing with that, and can't imagine the tribulations of raising a perfectly healthy (both physically and mentally) child much less the added stress and care a child with special needs (again, be it physically or mentally) requires. You have my respect.


I hear you loud and clear, and am really glad you're in this thread right now... even if just for 1 post or 2, because you can (I believe) pitch in a stance that seems a bit more unbiased than most even if we don't and never will agree. (i.e. Not every disagreement with me in here is someone being a hateful bigot, but every hateful bigot in here is someone having a disagreement with me. Huge distinction to be addressed when people think I'm trying to play some imagined "victimhood narrative". It's just a bloated strawman that they use). Here's two points to be addressed (imho) in your post:

#1) I don't really understand transgenderism enough to have an opinion.

Your honest admittance to this is refreshing. I don't understand Relativistic Fluid Dynamics, but I can have an opinion on it haha, so it's okay. Your opinion on this is your opinion. Own it.

#2) having had this treatment forced on them as a child

If this is happening, then this is awful. This is the part where the low I.Q. curs in this thread dial the hyperbole up to 11 and claim that this is what I want to do to kids. When a child is suspected of having gender dysphoria, multiple specialists are assigned to them to ensure they are legitimately transgender. A fact that Sabbat and that new guy conveniently left out on their list (because it goes against their narrative) is that all... I repeat ALL cases of studied kids that were treated had 0 regrets and were doing well. This tells me that whatever tests, screenings, studies etc that they are doing on these children are good and work. If it didn't, you'd have documented tragedies, regrets and such (which we don't have).


I never said that, but I don't believe I ever denied it either. A few papers stated this and I took everything in the papers as factual. The good the bad and the ugly. While there are things that look good as far as offering guidelines to how to assess Gender Dysphoria, I would say that the highest standard for assessing Gender Dysphoria is the DSM-5. It actually gives MORE hard-lined criteria to diagnosing GD in children (vs. adolescents and adults). As a rational tranny, it's a beautiful read... it captures what GD is very well. The more I hear about Ken Zucker's work, the more of a fan I'm becoming.


I agree 100% Chaos. The WPATH Standards Of Care is basically the "transsexual bible" in regards to what is used for diagnosis, treatment etc.

Anyone can read this here --> Click Me <--

Yeah, I don't think that's the right approach, at least not for me. I try to be mindful of what I am saying, I don't want to let emotions or conditioning or whatever it is lead me too say something about a subject I really had no business saying. I try to apply that same kind of thing to thoughts but that's harder. Everyone just talks shit sometimes, it happens, but I also want to be empathetic, so in the case of a subject like trans issues it's probably better for me to just not talk about it rather than give uninformed opinions. I don't have the least idea what it is like to be trans, I discussed this at some length with Ms B back in the day and got nowhere. You can try to empathize with someone's plight without really understanding it, but it's another thing to then try and act as if you have some insight.

I get that yeah, you'd call that 20% "real trannies" and that's fine, for our purposes here if we go on the assumption that's true, that leaves us with 80% who aren't and no way to really tell who is and isn't until after the fact, sometimes very far after the fact. In all cases, there's no recourse. We can't rewind time or undo what is done. I can try a thought experiment and put myself in the place of all the people involved here. Be the parent who sought treatment for their kid, try and understand the pressures they are under. Be the kid who probably doesn't understand what they are feeling, ask yourself if they understand the choices being given to them. This is the only real insight I have on the situation, that and knowing about having kids and the challenges of that and also about how it feels to deal with a child with a mental health issue. And that's really where I get off, when we're talking about treatment for adults then that's a totally different discussion, but you hear something like that Adam Ruins Everything guy on Joe Rogan and he is far, far too cavalier about what amount to experimenting on children.
 
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Adam Ruins Everything showed that Adam Understands Nothing on the episode of Joe Rogan.
 
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Being a tranny is a choice whereas being a black is genetic and inherent.

Both are not equal in any sense of the word and the idea that there is "real tranny" is absurd. These is no "real suiciders" because they kill themselves and others don't. This whole fucking bullshit is retarded.
 
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Adam Ruins Everything showed that Adam Understands Nothing on the episode of Joe Rogan.
I think that a lot of people end up in the same boat as he is, they don't really understand or think about a topic but they want to be empathetic and they want to ensure they are open to new ideas and concepts. Noble intent, fucked up results though.
 

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I think that a lot of people end up in the same boat as he is, they don't really understand or think about a topic but they want to be empathetic and they want to ensure they are open to new ideas and concepts. Noble intent, fucked up results though.
actually from the podcast, it seems that his inordinate amount of Trans/Gay friends have skewed his view and opinion to just "defer to the experts"

well, just b/c you are "living the life", doesn't mean you're a fucking expert.
 
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actually from the podcast, it seems that his inordinate amount of Trans/Gay friends have skewed his view and opinion to just "defer to the experts"

well, just b/c you are "living the life", doesn't mean you're a fucking expert.
Hanging out with a bunch of trannies doesn't make you(or them) experts on the condition itself, as was clearly demonstrated by Adam whateverhisnameis.
 
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actually from the podcast, it seems that his inordinate amount of Trans/Gay friends have skewed his view and opinion to just "defer to the experts"

well, just b/c you are "living the life", doesn't mean you're a fucking expert.
True, I also imagine he is highly exaggerating the number of trans people he knows. I know a ton of gay people and have met like 2 trans people, it isnt common, certainly uncommon to meet a couple with a "trans kid".
 

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True, I also imagine he is highly exaggerating the number of trans people he knows. I know a ton of gay people and have met like 2 trans people, it isnt common, certainly uncommon to meet a couple with a "trans kid".

Am i to understand that you are implying that this phenomenon solely exist within a certain sphere of electronic communication?

Joke aside, if you are involved in music, front line IT, or in person nerd activities you encounter more choppers. Ive known a dozen in person in my lifetime.
 

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Am i to understand that you are implying that this phenomenon solely exist within a certain sphere of electronic communication?

Joke aside, if you are involved in music, front line IT, or in person nerd activities you encounter more choppers. Ive known a dozen in person in my lifetime.

Do some of them like larping and cruising for confused nerd dick? Sounds kind of like this forum, except we all old nerd dick now.

Vanessa how does a tranny typically approach cruising in the lgbt or straight community on hooking up? Harder conversation?
 
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Am i to understand that you are implying that this phenomenon solely exist within a certain sphere of electronic communication?

Joke aside, if you are involved in music, front line IT, or in person nerd activities you encounter more choppers. Ive known a dozen in person in my lifetime.
Yeah I work in IT, have basically all my life. Only met 2. They're a super tiny percentage of the population, for that Adam guy to say something like "all my trans friends", ok so unless you're an activist or something how could you possibly know that many well enough to call them friends? Maybe a medical professional or something, the numbers are so small that to know any significant number of trannies as to refer to them as if there some big group you're in sync with is super unlikely. A dozen seems like a huge number. If I included people I've met online, maybe I could hit a dozen but online people arent real and dont matter anyway.
 

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Let's see.... I'm a pretty generic older white dude in a major metropolitan area. For me.. I know :

  • One MtF who is fully transitioned (now in her early 40s , known since per-transition around age 20)
  • One FtM mostly only social transitioned so far (but saving for hormones/etc...)
  • One MtF of unknown transition state who was caught off guard when I clocked her (she had a lot of guys in the field we work in hit on her, it's kinda hillarious),
  • One former HS teacher who went MtF back in the late 80s/early 90s, one old ex co-worker who changed jobs, left city, transitioned, came back, and then was somehow upset with me when I remembered them (can't change your eye set bro...),
  • and I'll count Vanessa Vanessa .
This doesn't count the seeming ever growing number of lesbians who just go so butch you can tell they DESPERATELY want to be "the guy" in a relationship apparently, or number of drag queens/kings I know.

Does this make me an outlier?
 

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I dont think 4 is a huge number, Adam dude implied many more with his "all my trans friends" talk. Even more extreme with him singling out children who are trans, like how many could you possibly know when were talking about a total that makes up less than 1% of the population, or even a subset of that tiny group which is children (allegedly) being trans? I am sure occupation etc factor in like phazeal said but I doubt it's that common in any circle, it's just such a small percentage
 
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Pretty sure a very significant amount of people globally know more trans people from mainstream media then real life.

Media really trying to push that shit.

Recent elections in Europe mean a very strong movement to the right side, so there is that. I hope the left side keeps attention-whoring only to have it blow up in their face.

Sounds like a familiar story Vanessa Vanessa ?
 

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Pretty sure a very significant amount of people globally know more trans people from mainstream media then real life.

Media really trying to push that shit.

Recent elections in Europe mean a very strong movement to the right side, so there is that. I hope the left side keeps attention-whoring only to have it blow up in their face.

Sounds like a familiar story Vanessa Vanessa ?
Actually current elect result was indicative of left becoming more radicalized and people choosing to side with right wing because they have become disfranchised by the radical views...

Like this thread for example....

Goliath may think he is not a radical among his trannies but ultimately his entire existence is based on radical and flawed concept of humanity....

And now he seeks to extend that inhumanity into kids as part of "choice" and indoctrinate the world with chaos.

In such times, we have no choice but to become conservatives and reign it back to the earth.

Nobody asked for trannies and they sort of just pushed themselves infront of the world. No logical person would deem trannies are part of positive attributes of society. Gays we can tolerate but changing sex and altering biological parts of humanity? LOL fuck off.
 
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Actually current elect result was indicative of left becoming more radicalized and people choosing to side with right wing because they have become disfranchised by the radical views.

The left in Belgium isn't radicalized though.

One of the main actors is Anuna De Wever, a 17 year old that has never worked a day in her life, flies around the world to post holiday pictures on her facebook, and insists everyone drops everything to save the whales, beetles and unicorns.

In hindsight, the Russians must have funded her actions and the attention she got.

She used to be a transsexual around age 13 and is now a lesbo. At least improvement is seen, I'm positive like that.

Nm, she is genderneutral now.

Fuck my positivism, nuke the whales.

Well nuke the trannies first, they are more annoying.
 

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Episode 115: Cecilia (5.24.19)

old timey trans.

guess it's a 50yr trans from brazil, said sex work and trans go hand in hand. Why? thought that the relationships it was getting were hollow and meaningless, so might as well make money off of it. Brazil trans were treated like nogs so it illegally went to miami or overstayed, either way illegal trans.

it kept on hooking until that law made craigs list hookers illegal then it somehow applied for asylum/refugee and is approved.

i'm guessing cuz of the extra status of being a trans.

now it is advocating tranny rights and illegal aliens.

This trans things mind is all messed up, if you listen to it, you wonder how it can jump to such conclusions.
 
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