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Hekotat

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I have more fun with the starter kits due to this. Easy to go positive and just rack up a big payday, then I die and do a great kit. I just kind of swap between that type of play mode, I just want loadouts to make it less painful to swap.
 

gauze

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They need to aggressively lower kit costs. You can buy a Lakota for 7k, about half the cost of a mid kit, and make easy money dropping supplies and groups into the HZ. Maybe get shot down once per game but realistically you can live the whole game if you're a decent pilot. I've made as much as 160k and I am mid skill.

Compare that to dropping 15k on a kit and getting picked off by a sweatlord or hacker 58 seconds into your deployment. It makes zero sense and it is why you see a lot people wanting to run logistics or fobbit the whole game instead of run assault.

I'm the opposite; I think they need to increase vehicle prices aggressively. I personally enjoy the idea that your kits are leaning you into wanting to live longer than 10 seconds but vehicles don't seem to adhere to the same concept.. as the weeks has gone on, it's a little less apparent.. but when people started breaking into T4 and the endgame gear, they were far less risk oriented.. but there was an overtime progression, I never felt that for the attack vehicles minus havoc and tank(not arty). It's pretty funny killing an attack little bird knowing in about 5 minutes he is going to return.. an infantry man is the same, but only if they're in a midtier kit. I rarely see T4/FAL guys return, let alone solo, non-zerg/deathball.. though I had one game where these 6 Ghilli suit guys kept keeping each other alive and/or not giving up because they wanted to keep their ghillie suits... probably got upwards to 20 kills off of them and not counting my duos.

I don't start doing whispy shit til I make atleast half my kit back in profit. I think there will be a rude awakening when the parachute nerf hits.. first few days will be glorious. Also if to be understood as true, water accumulating on heli's(guessing all vehicles?) and T4 helm visors; should be interesting

Brammer also mentioned something regarding streaks, which was specifically regarding driving progression. I wouldn't mind that being something that is applied across the board to alleviate costs. As of now, Driving has a "round trip bonus" but said by S2, it'll be a compounding bonus. If it were the same for Infantry, would be pretty cool. Do job, and get more for doing it consistently.

Also a ton of PKM videoes have started popping up, and it shreds.
 
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Xevy

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Vehicles either need to be expensive and you have to be good with them to pay off or if they're cheap they need some limit/cooldown so people can't just spam them. I actually had like ONE game where the game was where I envisioned it where a Havoc was trying to blow up FOB's and vehicles and the little birds were all trying to blow up the havoc and other little birds were fighting THOSE little birds. Vehicle vs Vehicle combat rather than some unkillable 10k buzzsaw 3 shotting me in 3 armor/4 helmet because he only gets neck shots (new cheat, btw!). I've done a few double MAAWS/Verba runs now and for the 4 or so MAAWS and one Verba I get MAYBE one vehicle kill and it's usually a shitty little bird RTB after dodging a Talon already. I've also done Verba 6 RPG shells while under heli attack and it's just too hard to get the window when peope don't mark helicopters. Rocket choppers are actuallly bugged and you don't hear them fire rockets but hear them hit you and the audio channe is fucked or something so you don't hear it flying at all. It may be an audio cone thing with all vehicles, I had a humvee show up 6 feet from me, kill my teammate, no audio until they shot, then drive away and I had a MAAWS. Worried I was going to miss my opportunity but they came back (didn't hear it) until they commed they were rezzing some guy. If they hadn't done that I would've peaked it with my gun and gotten splattered.

Some of this is their servers just not holding up. Happens in every large scale persistent game like this and BRs. The more objects the more people the more explosions the worse server performance. I don't know how their audio channels work for prio but you're getting more and more Heavy's running up to you completely silent. A complete wipe next week will probably make audio work much better at least temporarily.

I go from games where we deathball and nothing happens and we win. Deathball vs Deathball and it's fun. Or both teams just lock down our entire team for some reason and I just lose 80k trying to combat infinite vehicles. It's a weird place, but it's all data for collection and analysis in the end.
 

Xevy

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Just rewatched it and there is Humvee audio but it's intermittent. Could've been just start/stopping or if they're an ol H1Z1/PUBG pro just ghosted around with the engine off. There's definitely patches of no audio when it's within 25m of me though. Also I triple kill it and I got a whopping 10k total for a vehicle kill, 2 normal kills, and 1 "shutdown" kill. That's kind of shit for the amount of effort it took to hunt down and walk super heavy with 6 stims to the spot where I could POSSIBLY kill it before it killed me. $1500 for a gunner humvee straight up seems kind of shit.
 

Sludig

Potato del Grande
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I think a lot there would be resolved just with some buff to verba tracking. I got really sick of baiting a flare, and watching a rocket miss from a moderate distance, no tree's or anything. (vs trying too close or so far that the flare resets)

Other than the 5 havok night, I've only seen one other one. and actually not seen tanks in ages. (Too much easy jeep c4, sneaking up one way or another, my favorite now is c4 on top of supply boxes, drop them via little bird onto tank swapping co pilot and blowing)

I've not had those audio issues so might be more individual hardware issue person to person. I've had people yelling at me for not hearing my ural running over them.

Went in -40k (svd kit + doing a maaws delivery box to fob, 50/50 anyone buys it but pretty good supply xp if they do) and still managed to end up +30k. Ran out of ammo and took a guys 20 round mp5 with flesh, oh boy that tore folks up. SVD w/ 10 rounder esp if you can get the scope off indoors has been pretty good for me, it's clunky to use but I actually like the 4x/iron sight a lot, a bit better than 3x but not so awful to use as the 3-6x. Really looking forward season 2 the final unlock 2-10 or whatever it is. I did like the 1.5x acog that was on the dudes mp5 though.

Saw a post about hidden stats, like 50 round galil is 100% not worth running. 20% nerf to aim sway, recoil etc
 
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BrotherWu

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I'm the opposite; I think they need to increase vehicle prices aggressively. I personally enjoy the idea that your kits are leaning you into wanting to live longer than 10 seconds but vehicles don't seem to adhere to the same concept.. as the weeks has gone on, it's a little less apparent.. but when people started breaking into T4 and the endgame gear, they were far less risk oriented.. but there was an overtime progression, I never felt that for the attack vehicles minus havoc and tank(not arty). It's pretty funny killing an attack little bird knowing in about 5 minutes he is going to return.. an infantry man is the same, but only if they're in a midtier kit. I rarely see T4/FAL guys return, let alone solo, non-zerg/deathball.. though I had one game where these 6 Ghilli suit guys kept keeping each other alive and/or not giving up because they wanted to keep their ghillie suits... probably got upwards to 20 kills off of them and not counting my duos.

I don't start doing whispy shit til I make atleast half my kit back in profit. I think there will be a rude awakening when the parachute nerf hits.. first few days will be glorious. Also if to be understood as true, water accumulating on heli's(guessing all vehicles?) and T4 helm visors; should be interesting

Brammer also mentioned something regarding streaks, which was specifically regarding driving progression. I wouldn't mind that being something that is applied across the board to alleviate costs. As of now, Driving has a "round trip bonus" but said by S2, it'll be a compounding bonus. If it were the same for Infantry, would be pretty cool. Do job, and get more for doing it consistently.

Also a ton of PKM videoes have started popping up, and it shreds.

Yeah I'd be okay with decreasing kit costs and increasing aircraft costs. Kits could be halved and choppers doubled, for that matter. It might decrease the number of choppers being flown, which would be a good ting. I also think the countermeasures are a little pricey at 750 each considering it's not uncommon to have to pop a couple on a drop.

One other thing I have noticed is that FOBs are becoming almost irrelevant. Part of the problem is that you frequently have several being built just because people want to do their own thing and level their skills. That dilutes resources and manpower and makes all the FOBs weaker. Many are never finished or are built like shit.

The deathball meta is generally so much of a stronger play than trying finish a secure FOB. It can be a win if you can pull the HZ and hold it but I don't see that happening as much right now. I hope they can make some tweaks balance it all out and make supply lines important again.
 

gauze

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Yeah I'd be okay with decreasing kit costs and increasing aircraft costs. Kits could be halved and choppers doubled, for that matter. It might decrease the number of choppers being flown, which would be a good ting. I also think the countermeasures are a little pricey at 750 each considering it's not uncommon to have to pop a couple on a drop.

One other thing I have noticed is that FOBs are becoming almost irrelevant. Part of the problem is that you frequently have several being built just because people want to do their own thing and level their skills. That dilutes resources and manpower and makes all the FOBs weaker. Many are never finished or are built like shit.

The deathball meta is generally so much of a stronger play than trying finish a secure FOB. It can be a win if you can pull the HZ and hold it but I don't see that happening as much right now. I hope they can make some tweaks balance it all out and make supply lines important again.

Nah, I think the kit costs are fine(if not, needs to be more for some of the power you can get from it); if anything I would love to see the price fluctuate based on usage but that math is probably too tough in an already convoluted atmosphere of tings.. aka the more an item is used the more expensive it becomes from its base price but goes down to the base price the less its used. I would rather the avenues of rewards go up for infantry before their kits cost lowered(streaks, survival, or defending bonuses).. a 20k kit becoming a 150k-200k return, and a 8k easily becoming a 90k return is pretty wild. I could only imagine what would happen if 20k was 5-10k kit and making 150-200k or 8k becoming 2k and getting 90k.. While not every game wildly profitable for me, i'm rarely more than -5k in the hole at the end of the game and have some games that are only 10-20k profit. The problem relies in a sorta mentality of play, where a lot of people have cod brain and are immediately into action without perimeter security; a mistake I make too. I see 8 people ahead of me, so I try to move up and get waxed by the 3 man between. Kit value translates into the importance of living due to making your money back and then some. Join a game half way in, get a lowerprice kit to test the waters.. team getting waxed, same thing. Got a squad, spend some money and start rolling. I can't seem to get my kits out of the 20k margin personally, and every game; even losing.. i'm walking out with profit majority of the time.. but I also don't try to get into fire fights where i'm taking on 12 dudes at a time rotating revives. Once things get too hot, I fall back to the next potential stronghold.. but often i am trying to find my way to the middle of the map so that I can fight both teams trying to move when i'm solo and/or trying to be parrellel with the people trying to fight inside the hotzone.

I also come from Counter-Strike, where "Saving" and "Playing your life" are incredibly valuable strategies.

So, it's only a theory from experience really.. but whenever I join the "Official Servers" it feels like it's very much if you know you know kinda gameplay where players try to stack on one team and steamroll games, farming money; and there is no incentive against it.. winning cash is moot and mostly comes from "participating." There is no "bounty" system and beating up the lesser team is just as much reward as killing the leading team.. the other half of the player are either slow pc's that don't get to participate because they didn't load in fast enough and/or players who believe in the blue curse(which is self fulfilling via the faster pc's joining the other two teams). I've seen more endgame spam in Official Servers than I have in community servers.. second endgame gear spam would be some of the infantry servers.. The other community servers i've played on, I have seen some wild swing games.. Literal 84-93-100 type games. The strategies have been interesting, impenetrable bases ect. I'm not a huge base guy, and hate when I see the whole team in one.. but i've been on a teams that do the base thing. We're at 5pts, while the other two teams are at 40-50pts ahead.. we finally call the drill multiple times while taking artillery/mortars; dog fight the ever living fuck out of it, come back 40-50pts to 50 - 60pts.. sometimes they try to recuperate the base after the onslaught and other half of the team after the basing is now running it back into the hot zone obliterating. It beats being pushed to the edges of the circle being farmed as we come in.. which I don't see as often as I did in Officials.. Shit the other day, we ran it down to 99 on Blue.. we had 3 or 4 fobs we built, I was apart of a team that was holding the stadium hostage between Red/Green.. Red started a generation run from 60pts and Green had been going back and forth with us.. Red basically came in took out our fobs, and were full on targetting blue.. because of the nature of 99, our team was so in the rush to get back in that they were freekitting and zerging for the one point.. to the point that Red was now 93, Green was 97, and we had been 99 forever now.. Eventually my friend sat in spawn yelling buy a kit we just need to win one fight, you'll get refunded.. and within less than 5 minutes we finally got the last point after losing 2 apc's and a full blackhawk crash while sitting on 99. I wish I clipped the heli crash because he was flying low, nobody could bail.. tail got hit by I assume a maaw.. so it just tumbled and the killfeed blue on blue death.. I just thought to myself fuck thats GG.
 
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Xevy

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Surefour, a former OW fragger pro played this nonstop and he said it best:

To make money: play infantry with people who will revive you. That's it.

Infantry costs me ~21k to go out and I can make it back IF I have people with me and people with defibs/smokes. Often I'll go HZ with 4-5 other guys and we'll get creamed by the deathball and that's it, That's 21k gone. The kits are only worth it if you have teammates. You're not getting a 25k kit and going rambo and making it back, that shit's not happening. Outside picking on Bobs (every kill streak clip you'll see is people killing 60 yeard old Bobs with no armor/probably no guns over and over) you WILL get fucked eventually without team assistance. Whether it's them rezzing you, suppressing, flanking, or just tanking bullets so you can spot people, infantry ONLY works as a team.

Vehicles you can do whatever you want. You can fuck around and get your 10k back with like 6 or 7 kills and then it's free money and if you're not dogshit or the other team IS dogshit, that's easy money. It's not the best money, but it's money. I've had a few 100k+ kit-lifes as infantry but only with 2-4 other people I knew in my squad and it's literally the duration of the game. I probably still died 2-5 times in that kit-life, but I had people to rez me and get us safe and secure. Johnny rocket chopper can just find their APC if it's not in a building and blow it up in 6 rockets for like 15k and then jerk off until they try to drive it in zone again.

Kit prices for infantry are high investment, medium reward. Most of that kit is going to be replaced if you're doing really well. You're going to need new ammo from dead guys, probably a new vest at some point, definitely more healing, and other tacticals like smoke/batteries. So that 20k+ isn't even a onestop go. I'll fucking put 200+ AP 5.56 into every little bird that challenges us and that's that's something like 600 bucks right there and then I have to repack mags and find more ammo eventually. I was doing RPG shit but waddling everywhere and sacrificing shit like a defib and smokes is just not worth it unless you're on FoB defense and even then some naked Bob is going to be screaming for a rez even though he's naked and you still have enemies inside/outside the FoB.

The real money farm, unless the other team is competent, is probably Driver Gunner shit. You can load up a gunner humvee with 5.56 for like 6k and then slap on armor and just bully everyone unless they shoot tires or run MAWS. It APPEARS they fixed the gunner desync shit, but it's still hard as fuck to kill them even with AP when the gunner is in the lean-back position. And the ballistic glass, as my clip showed, is no fucking joke. MAAWS work great, but you're fatboying it and you need your team to mark/call it out before it shows up on you and insta gibs you.

I think vehicles should get rewards based on what they do. Farming infantry with a little bird? Outside the Hot Zone it should be dogshit exp. Inside Hot Zone? Sure, you're actually helping. Rocket Choppering infantry? Nah, that's not your job. Rocket Choppering FoB defenses/APCS/Tanks/Humvees? Kudos! That's what you're SUPPOSED to do! Give them the money. I honestly don't know what Havoc's job is right now once you get 3/4 armor unless they blow your toes off you can eat like 9 shots pretty easily. I guess it's supposed to be an-rounder for anti vehicle/infantry, but you rarely see them anywhere but FoB harassment.

Like I said, I'm a big fan of vehicles used for a purpose rather than just as a better armored/armed infantry. Why play a 21k soldier when I can be a 6k giga tank with a lazer SAW. I believe some one said the SAW itself is like 5k and the SAW humvee is like 6500. That's a fucking bargain!

I think they'll figure it out I really enjoyed watching like 9 helicopters all fighting each other, that was cool. Some dingus just hovering over us never getting rocketed because he's 20m away and 20m off the ground is super shit. Same with Battle Buses and Humvees. Watching a battle bus pull up with two gunners in a pile of team corpses to cover while rezzing them is badass. That shit is actaully cool. Humvees running recon or baiting bullets is also cool. Humvees just driving into 9 guys and killing them all instantly, driving away, waiting for rezzes, coming back and doing it again is lame.

TL:DR Vehicles shouldn't be the cheapest/most powerful kit, even if you can make more money as infantry. You're only making more money as infantry if your team plays well together, and vehicles don't necessarily need that.
 

gauze

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I love being held in a building by little birds, but once they give me the ability to paint a location or vehicle from an infantry perspective.. I'll be in heaven. Sure the pilot will be hearing warning signals for 30 minutes straight, but atleast they'll have to time their flares approperiately.. Grabbing an empty verba just to target an aircraft only to watch them panic flare and attempt evasive manuevers into the ground is pretty fucking great.